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Scootaboy Scooter Rider

Number of posts : 7 Location : United Kingdom Points : 3289 Registration date : 2012-01-28
 | Subject: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:58 pm | |
| Hi Guys, I have now clocked up over 16,000 miles and my 600 SW is due for a belt replacement which I will do myself along with the rest of the 16,000 service. My query is this, do I go for a genuine drive belt or do I go for a Gates replacement, there is obviously quite a difference in price. Gates I know are good quality and a long standing quality product making fitments for the automotive industry or do I stay "safe" and stump up the extra and go for the genuine belt I am leaning towards a genuine one as I tend to buy genuine stuff but I thought I would see what opinions people have
Any info would be helpful, thank you Scootaboy (UK) |
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john grinsel Curmudgeon

Number of posts : 2996 Age : 81 Points : 7704 Registration date : 2009-08-18
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:11 pm | |
| Honda OEM belts work best for me. Present left over 2013, I ran original belt 20,000 miles and then changed.
Now 400,000 rubber band drive scooter miles since 1990, 9 new scooters, only one broken belt underway, always replaced belts with OEM---I think they are good quality and do their job.
I always carry spare belt as dealers tend to not stock them----delays on trips can cost a lot |
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micbusathens Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts : 199 Age : 59 Location : Athens Greece Points : 3439 Registration date : 2012-04-05
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:14 pm | |
| OEM .Best Value for money.Lasts twice as recomended at least.
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Cookie Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts : 233 Location : Essex UK Points : 3642 Registration date : 2011-10-03
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:20 pm | |
| I would definitely go with oem where belts are concerned. I got my last one from Makinaparts in Greece and it was a lot cheaper. I just looked them up. A Honda belt from Greece is €84 = £65 which is cheaper than a gates.
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Cosmic_Jumper Site Admin

Number of posts : 3632 Age : 77 Location : damn near Philadelphia, PA Points : 8454 Registration date : 2009-06-12
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:20 pm | |
| Since we in North America don't have access to the Gates SW belt there isn't any, or we dont have any, historical data to compare. I've always used Honda OEM replacement belts and have never given them a 2nd thought --put it on and it's good to go for another ~20,000 miles.
Do keep your old belt as a spare though.
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Kenjj50 Super Scooter Rider

Number of posts : 220 Age : 70 Location : Naperville, Illinois Points : 2177 Registration date : 2015-09-28
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:34 pm | |
| In the scheme of things...the cost of an OEM belt over 15-20,000 miles is incidental. Go with Honda. |
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bicyclenut Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts : 141 Age : 52 Location : Chicago Suburbs Points : 2162 Registration date : 2015-09-04
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:08 pm | |
| I actually just replaced mine today and used an OEM Honda belt, 7200 miles, looked in great shape but its a 2003 and I don't think the previous owner ever replaced it.
I work in Automotive and we have a Gates rep, but I still decided that the OEM was a better choice. Don't get me wrong, Gates makes a high quality belt and other parts, I am sure they actually make many OEM belts and they have even have produced some replacement products that have improved on the OEM designs.
In this case, I would just stick with an OEM Honda belt. |
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john grinsel Curmudgeon

Number of posts : 2996 Age : 81 Points : 7704 Registration date : 2009-08-18
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:04 pm | |
| Thought: Since from Honda Reflex on----things have to be taken apart to get belt on or off, best to use proven OEM belt that lasts as long as possible----Helix belt could be changed by pulling rear clutch pulley apart/blocking with piece of wood and belt would go on and off=great design. |
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GHM-PM Site Admin

Number of posts : 1898 Age : 68 Location : Bullhead City, AZ Points : 5250 Registration date : 2012-05-17
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:47 pm | |
| Shop online for the best price and get the OEM belt. eBay usually has some cheap replacements but since it is an involved job and I use my SWing for touring... Honda belt is only choice. |
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gremlin Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts : 227 Age : 68 Location : Brisbane, Australia Points : 2378 Registration date : 2015-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:00 pm | |
| - bicyclenut wrote:
- I actually just replaced mine today and used an OEM Honda belt, 7200 miles, looked in great shape but its a 2003 and I don't think the previous owner ever replaced it.
I work in Automotive and we have a Gates rep, but I still decided that the OEM was a better choice. Don't get me wrong, Gates makes a high quality belt and other parts, I am sure they actually make many OEM belts and they have even have produced some replacement products that have improved on the OEM designs.
In this case, I would just stick with an OEM Honda belt. Obviously the Honda belt is not made by Honda. I understood that it is a Mitsuboshi belt and that is what I used for a replacement. It also happened to be the cheapest brand name belt I could get ( from Italy ), but the price was not my main concern. |
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Old Limey Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts : 916 Age : 76 Location : BOLTON LANCASHIRE ENGLAND Points : 4887 Registration date : 2010-06-09
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:22 am | |
| On my last Silverwig I used the Gates belt at 16,000ml. I put a Gates belt on again at 32,000mls. I had no problems and I now have 12000mls on my present bike and intend to put a Gates belt and Dr Pulley sliders on at 16000mls. Personally it is okay by me.  |
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vmaximus Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts : 120 Age : 68 Location : Kirkby in ashfield Nottinghamshire England Points : 3720 Registration date : 2011-04-15
 | Subject: Silverwing Drivebelt Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:58 am | |
| Gremlin the fjs Silverwing does use a Mitsuboshi drive belt and are advertised on Amazon UK and distributed by Vicma at a lower price than Honda OEM. Due to the fact that hardly no one has had a drive belt brake is testimony to the quality of the OEM belt but has anyone used a aftermarket belt as a comparison. I have used allsorts of aftermarket product on my scooters from drive belts, brake pads, oil/filters, brake oil, coolant and DR Pulley sliders with no problems what so ever. I did use a OEM belt at the 16000 mile change but am tempted to use an after market the next time that I do a belt change due to the fact that no one has reported belt breakages or abnormal wear from either OEM or A/market belts . If there is any body running with a after market belt please give us your thoughts on the current belt that you are running,(performance/belt wear etc.) |
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vmaximus Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts : 120 Age : 68 Location : Kirkby in ashfield Nottinghamshire England Points : 3720 Registration date : 2011-04-15
 | Subject: Silverwing Drivebelt Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:02 am | |
| Old Limey, you have answered my question before I had finished typing. |
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The Bern Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts : 899 Location : Telford, UK Points : 3229 Registration date : 2014-11-20
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:42 pm | |
| Gates belt on mine as well, all is good |
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cotetoi Silver Wing Expert

Number of posts : 754 Location : New Brunswick, Canada Points : 3653 Registration date : 2013-06-27
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:30 am | |
| I have come across Erlandson drive belts for the SWing and the Helix. When I search on EBay and Amazon, I get lots of results for snowmobiles and ATV's, but not for the SWing or the Helix. I wonder if anyone has a specific number for the SWing, and by chance one for the Helix. I have to replace both pretty soon, and since there seems to be no contraindications, I'll get the more reasonably priced ones. Erlandson belts are reasonably priced( compared to Honda) too. Thanks. Jay. |
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The Bern Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts : 899 Location : Telford, UK Points : 3229 Registration date : 2014-11-20
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:24 pm | |
| cotetoi, Erlandson belt for Helix is listed here ..... http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/52005/i/erlandson-kevlar-scooter-drive-belts
For Silver Wing ..
http://tinyurl.com/gpov9hr |
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cotetoi Silver Wing Expert

Number of posts : 754 Location : New Brunswick, Canada Points : 3653 Registration date : 2013-06-27
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:32 pm | |
| My mistake, The Bern. I meant that I have seen the Erlandson belts on EBay and Amazon, but not the Gates. I want to compare prices between Erlandson and Gates. I wrote to Dennis Kirk and they replied that they do not carry the Gates belts. I don't believe they are very common in North America, but you never know, someone will soon set me straight. Thanks for your search, much appreciated. Jay. |
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The Bern Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts : 899 Location : Telford, UK Points : 3229 Registration date : 2014-11-20
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:28 pm | |
| Ahh, cool best I can do is part number for Silver Wing (OEM # 23100 MCT 003), Gates # 9802-41804 it's available from Wemoto in the UK but I think postage & duties would make them an expensive supplier for you |
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The Bern Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts : 899 Location : Telford, UK Points : 3229 Registration date : 2014-11-20
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:59 pm | |
| Been digging & find HONDA HELIX 250 90-99 (OEM code: 27601-21F11), Gates # 9802-31806 |
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cotetoi Silver Wing Expert

Number of posts : 754 Location : New Brunswick, Canada Points : 3653 Registration date : 2013-06-27
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:01 pm | |
| I looked up Wemoto, and the costs for the belts are prohibitive. I'd do better getting them locally. I wouldn't pay shipping in the US, and I can find the Erlandson belts easily. Thanks, The Bern, you have been a tremendous help. Jay. |
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oldwingguy Silver Wing Guru

Number of posts : 1695 Location : Hocking Hills U.S.A. Points : 3707 Registration date : 2016-01-29
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:39 pm | |
| My belt arrived with a OEM label around it the belt has Mitsubishi printed on it and the marking on the OEM belt on my S'Wing are the same. |
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gremlin Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts : 227 Age : 68 Location : Brisbane, Australia Points : 2378 Registration date : 2015-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:50 pm | |
| Of course, Mitsuboshi are the OEM manufacturers of Honda belts. No car or bike manufacturer makes their own, same as they don't make their own tires. There is no such thing as a Honda belt. That is why I cannot understand everyone trying to get a different brand. The OEM belt is very well priced and you know you got the real McCoy. |
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Old Limey Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts : 916 Age : 76 Location : BOLTON LANCASHIRE ENGLAND Points : 4887 Registration date : 2010-06-09
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:43 am | |
| I had no problem getting a Gates drivebelt. Honda dealer wanted £149.Gates belt £77 off EBay. As I said before I have used a Gates belt at 16,000ml and again at 32,000ml never had a problem.Gates are one of the largest makers of drive belts in Europe.They make commercial belts for industry and for vehicles. Up to the individual buy what you are happy with.  |
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Cookie Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts : 233 Location : Essex UK Points : 3642 Registration date : 2011-10-03
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:16 am | |
| Old Limey is correct - Gates are an excellent make. However as a Honda oem belt is only £65 from Greece it's got to be worth a thought. I got mine from Makinaparts in Greece and it was delivered in a couple of days.
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cotetoi Silver Wing Expert

Number of posts : 754 Location : New Brunswick, Canada Points : 3653 Registration date : 2013-06-27
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:26 am | |
| Erlandson belts on the way for the SWing and the Helix. Ride reports in the summer. Jay. |
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Old Limey Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts : 916 Age : 76 Location : BOLTON LANCASHIRE ENGLAND Points : 4887 Registration date : 2010-06-09
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:05 pm | |
| What was the Total cost Cookie? |
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Cookie Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts : 233 Location : Essex UK Points : 3642 Registration date : 2011-10-03
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:07 pm | |
| Hi Old Limey The exchange rate has changed since I bought mine as it was a while ago now but I've just looked it up on their site... Belt - part no 23100-MCT-003 - price 83.99 Euros = £65.76 Shipping 15.50 Euros = £12.14 So the total would be £77.90. That's inclusive of taxes (Vat). I used an online currency converter but obviously the rates change a bit day to day. They take paypal which converts it for you. I assume they take debit/credit cards too.
I bought a few other bits along with mine. Some are cheaper than in the UK whilst others are about the same.
Here's the link:
http://makinaparts.com/lang-en/honda/668-23100mct003-honda-belt-drive-fjs-600-silverwing.html
The belt covers all the years I think. |
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Winger61 Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts : 444 Age : 72 Location : Louth, Lincolnshire, UK Points : 4222 Registration date : 2010-10-15
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:15 pm | |
| UK-based ebay seller has Gates belts for £77.73 with free p&p, or collect from local Argos store. (Type drive belt Honda fjs 600 into shop search box, top left) http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Brooks-Barn-Motorcycles?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
Another UK seller does standard rollers if you didn't want to go with different ones. Free p&p - again, just use the search box, same as above. Haven't used either seller myself, but they seem to be OK. http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Chinese-Motorcycle-Dealers?_trksid=p2047675.l2563 |
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Old Limey Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts : 916 Age : 76 Location : BOLTON LANCASHIRE ENGLAND Points : 4887 Registration date : 2010-06-09
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:13 am | |
| Thanks Cookie. Looks like I saved about 20p by getting mine off EBay two weeks ago.  |
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Meldrew Visiting Curmudgeon

Number of posts : 3592 Location : York, North Yorkshire, England UK Points : 7404 Registration date : 2010-11-16
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oldwingguy Silver Wing Guru

Number of posts : 1695 Location : Hocking Hills U.S.A. Points : 3707 Registration date : 2016-01-29
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:39 am | |
| Tight or frugal  it depends I guess which side of the penny you stand on :arrow: |
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bikerbill Scooter Rider

Number of posts : 17 Age : 67 Location : Conway, AR Points : 1989 Registration date : 2015-08-28
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:50 pm | |
| Erlandson belt DBHOMCT is for the Silver Wing. I found it crossed referenced with the OEM belt on a few websites. Here is a link to Amazon:http://www.amazon.com/Erlandson-Technology-Scooter-Kevlar-DBHOMCT/dp/B00DX8AVP0
No I haven't changed my drive belt on my Swing. Just wanted to show an option. |
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AldusFran Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts : 135 Age : 74 Location : Tucson,AZ Points : 2195 Registration date : 2015-06-13
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:02 pm | |
| I bought an Erlandson belt for my SW and after 3000 mis. everything looks good in the drive compartment. The Erlandson was $40.00 less than OEM . I do a visual check every 1000mis. and find belt is in good shape with minimal dusting. If this belt does not perform as per OEM I'll be the first to let everyone know on this site. OEM belts goes through three or four handlers ; Erlandson goes through one . After market products usually meet or exceed factory specs. |
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Silver Dave K Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts : 109 Age : 74 Location : Sedro Woolley ,WA Points : 2530 Registration date : 2014-06-12
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:20 pm | |
| Meldrew I'm assuming that's pretty tight! |
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Old Limey Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts : 916 Age : 76 Location : BOLTON LANCASHIRE ENGLAND Points : 4887 Registration date : 2010-06-09
 | Subject: Re: Silverwing Drivebelt. Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:37 am | |
| To anyone in the North of England the rivalry and friendly sniping between Lancastrians and Yorkists is well known. It dates back to the "War of the roses"(Lancashire having thered rose and Yorkshire the white). We each accuse the other of being miserly and tight fisted,and take every chance to belittle each other, all in good spirit. As Meldrew is from Cumbria he would be expected to side with the Lancastrians,but,as he now lives in York. He has gone over to the DarkSide!!. |
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