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PostSubject: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 24, 2022 2:56 pm

Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?

I’m currently in the process of building a “foamie camper” to pull behind my car. These are ultralight hand made campers using xps foam rigid insulation as the structure.

I always wanted to pull a trailer with one of my numerous motorcycles, but never got around to it. I suspect it could be scaled down, and built on a small light motorcycle trailer frame, to be pulled by a SWing. 

It’s already been done to tow behind a Vespa scooter!

I can’t post a video link to the forum yet, but do a search for “Vespa scooter foamie camper” and you’ll find the videos on YouTube.

If they can built one for a Vespa scooter, I bet one could be built one for a 600cc maxi scooter fairly easily! (I’ve already found a trailer hitch for the SWing.)
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 24, 2022 4:17 pm

The 6x10.5’ Foamie camper I’m currently building is based on a “vardo style” trailer, which were based on Romanian gypsy wagons. I’m using this photo as a loose template. When I’m done with it, I’ll probably build a mini version for the SWing.

In reviewing most of the old threads here mentioning trailering with a Silverwing, the consensus seems to be a 150-200lb weight limit to the trailer. That would eliminate all but the lightest aluminum trailer frames on which to build on  Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? 9655b210
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 24, 2022 5:18 pm

Nice vardo. How about a combination of thin folding plywood and canvas -even though the basic style element are the roof “eaves” and tapered side walls.
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Think about how you would stop it, strain on drive line that was not designed for load, heavier trailer you have tail wagging the dog.  I have had 3 camping trailers pulled by motorcycle, over 100,000 miles experience=dangerous at highway speeds----Kawasaki Voyager 1200 ok with trailer, Kawasaki Concours dangerous, Honda Nitehawk 750 with homemade hitch ok---took Kwip Camp to Alaska with it---a little scary on mud and dirt.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 25, 2022 7:52 am

I think weight and braking will be the sticking points. The scoot weighs 550 plus or minus; the rider 200 lbs or more. Without some trailer brakes I feel this would be a hazard. People tend to weigh trailers and say "it's 150 lbs I am good", then fill it up with all sorts of stuff because they have the room!

As mentioned above another worry would be the CVT system. If the Silver Wing had a shaft drive ala the Goldwing I would not worry. Good luck but I prefer to just travel fairly light.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 25, 2022 9:14 pm

Vespa foamy trailer.Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? 12310

Maybe safe backroads and slower speeds. Highway forget it crosswinds and trucks no way.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 25, 2022 9:19 pm

A Vespa pulling a teardrop. I wonder what the top speed is on that outfit —even under ideal conditions?
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 25, 2022 9:26 pm

Builder claims up to 40 mph but that has to be downhill. Search Vespa foamie trailer short story there.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 26, 2022 12:24 am

I just exchanged messages with the individual who built the tiny teardrop for his Vespa. He said,

“I built the frame from scratch with a friend of mine. It’s made from box channel aluminum. Mostly welded. It’s a solid axle on pillow block bearings. No “suspension” to speak of…(no leaf springs or shocks). I had to do this for the extreme weight savings required. The tires are Carlisle 4.10 x 3.50-6. 4-ply. Speed rated to 35mph. Not the ideal set up as the trailer can be a little bouncy over bumps. I’d recommended a real suspension if possible.”

Since I just found a used small motorcycle trailer that’s already titled, I’m just going to use that for the frame for my camper build.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 30, 2022 3:46 pm

I brought home this titled used mini motorcycle trailer this week. With the wheels and fenders, the frame area is approximately 48”x48”. I’ll extend the tongue 2 feet and build a 6.5x4’ foamie camper with it, with an aerodynamic shape. It only weighs 95lbs. With a base floor and the foamie camper construction, I should easily come in at 150lbs or less.Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? 58673910
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 30, 2022 7:58 pm

BrianInVA wrote:
Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? 58673910

Build pictures please.
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Cosmic_Jumper wrote:
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Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? 58673910

Build pictures please.
Be glad to.

The trailer frame itself is smaller than I originally thought, 30” long and about 44” wide, including wheels and fenders. I’ll be adding 3 feet to the 4’ tongue and shooting for a 6’4”x4’ footprint. I’ll use 1” or 1 1/2” xps foam to save weight and I’ll probably go with a curved semi aerodynamic design for the roofline, sloping up to a height of about 4.5’ at the rear. It will be a rear entry, but I haven’t decided on the exact design yet.

And I still need to figure out a lightweight but strong floor.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeSun May 01, 2022 8:07 pm

I just found a diy swivel hitch explanation. It looks to be a quite satisfactory version of a Helm swivel hitch for a small lightweight motorcycle trailer:
https://motorcycle7usa.com/question/diy-heim-joint-swiveling-hitch-coupler-no-welding/Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? 85eaaa10
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Does that hitch have 360 degree capability? You might be surprised what can happen when you drop a trailer wheel off the pavement.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeMon May 02, 2022 12:24 pm

Gosh! It looks like an enormous rose-joint!
Does the job, though. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeMon May 02, 2022 2:22 pm

john grinsel wrote:
Does that hitch have 360 degree capability?  You might be surprised what can happen when you drop a trailer wheel off the pavement.
Yes, in addition to the limited rotation provided by the end of the tractor top link where it sits on the vertical pin that is the “ball” for this hitch, the greased threaded neck of that tractor top link will spin 360• within the body of it within the tongue. It could spin 360• several times, actually, though it’s obviously not on a bearing.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeFri May 06, 2022 4:28 pm

MikeO wrote:
Gosh! It looks like an enormous rose-joint!
Does the job, though. Wink
That’e essentially what it is, plus the threaded part freely spins within the body of the tractor top link.

I just picked up a 12’ piece of 2”x2” 11g steel square tube to extend the tongue 3’ plus make a 4’ cross piece for on the tongue to support the camper.
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Now to figure out safe hitch that does not go up and down with rear wheel, remembering ball should not go up and down with rear wheel....hitch height has something to do with behavior underhard braking.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing?   Does anyone pull a trailer with their Silverwing? I_icon_minitimeTue May 10, 2022 12:00 pm

Looks like a great project. Any guesses on tongue weight?
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DavidinDunnellon wrote:
Looks like a great project. Any guesses on tongue weight?
I will keep it at 15 lbs or less, by the way I load the trailer.
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