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PostSubject: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 16, 2019 4:31 pm

I will try and make a long story as short as possible.
Originally BEFORE I purchased my GT3 Motor Trike kit for my Swing, I did heavy research on the maint. of said new part. One of the research was on THE CHAIN. The best method to use on this sealed o-ring chain ( from MANY SO-CALLED EXPERTS) in the field was to first apply kerosene to loosen any grime, wipe off completely then apply your lube. To which I faithfully did every 3rd. fill-up. After 8,000 miles I heard a terrible grinding noise come from my rear sprocket area, pulled over, checked chain, all APPEARED OK, during the ride home (about 50 miles) this happened approx. 3 other times. I called my mech. (who put the trike together) and they said bring it in. I towed it in the next day....and found out today what the problem is: The chain was SHOT...the front and back sprockets BADLY STRIPPED.... COST OF PARTS $350.00...DAYS LABOR? POSSIBLE ANOTHER $660.00 ! My mech. notified Motor Trike to see about my 50,000mile warranty ( not mentioning to them about the kerosene), they said NO WARRANTY, THAT IT WAS WEAR PARTS !!! Really ?! In that manner of reasoning, is not EVERYTHING a wear part ! Sorry, guys and girls but I just needed to vent on this valuable lesson to learn. My only decision now is whether or not to sell the thing after I get it fixed and cut my loses.


I did however, during the course of putting my 8,000 miles on chain, periodically felt a hardness and looseness on chain ( to which) I took it in to my mech, who looked a chain and said all was well !


Lesson learned, go with your gut instinct if you have been riding as long as I have. And get a second opinion from a qualified mechanic. and DO NOT USE KEROSENE ON THIS PARTICULAR CHAIN period, contrary to the so called experts.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 16, 2019 5:39 pm

Problem/s-----open chain, I use ATF, every 100 miles or period
Replacement sprockets should be cheap, I would use reg. roller chain as replacement.


Problem with trikes can be parts (including rubber band drive) are not doing what they were designed to do. If design of trike kit is right, chain and sprockets should easy to do.

Learn to fix yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 16, 2019 5:47 pm

john grinsel wrote:
Problem/s-----open chain,  I use ATF, every 100 miles or  period
Replacement sprockets should be cheap, I would use reg. roller chain as replacement.


Problem with trikes can be parts (including rubber band drive) are not doing what they were designed to do.  If design of trike kit is right, chain and sprockets should easy to do.

Learn to fix yourself.
Do to health restrictions, not possible
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 16, 2019 5:57 pm

or find somebody local to you who can fix.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 16, 2019 6:39 pm

The problem I have being a Motor Trike kit, to be qualified to work on it one must have been trained in their school in Texas. My only other option is to go to Shelby. Which ( if I keep it), I think I will do.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 16, 2019 7:19 pm

Pastor Ron, sorry to hear about this issue. Seems like a lot of money to replace chain and sprockets.

i can see how a chain can become in need of replacement or adjustment at 8,000 miles. But both chain and sprockets shot at 8,000 seems that the drive system must have been enduring a lot of stress to show this result, especially after your careful 3-tankful maintenance. Chain tension issue? Alignment? Could it be that removing lubricant from chain so often would result in multiple time periods of less lubrication until the chain again recovers from the cleaning with full lubrication spreading throughout?

I'm not sure that kerosene, an often used cleaner, could have been the issue. Other chain cleaners may have similar petrol compositions, but maybe some experts on this forum will have good input.

I can see your frustration because you worked hard to PREVENT this kind of issue, and it appeared anyway.

Maybe Dale can give us an update on his trike drive system.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 17, 2019 3:20 am

As far as my update goes, I haven't put that many miles on my GT3 yet. The chain still looks like new with the same tension as when I got it. As far as lubing it I wipe it off with a rag after I come home from a ride and spray it down with Chain Lube. I don't do this after every ride but I do do it a few times per season. If I'm planning on a longer day ride I will lube it the day before just to make sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 17, 2019 10:06 am

Forgive me everyone. After the smoke cleared, I do not blame Motor Trike, they did not do the installation. I just learned a very expensive lesson, however, after I get the new parts installed and I still have too tight of a chain, I will drive it home and sell it.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 17, 2019 11:55 am

Does your trike have o-ring chain or X-ring? If that is the case you were only lubing the sprockets anyway.

My case I would look for cheap replacement sprockets (industrial supply house) and reg motorcycle roller chain as replacement---industrial chain will not cut it.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 17, 2019 2:36 pm

Chain and sprockets already ordered and shipped to Honda dealer. All Motor Trike OEM parts.
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john grinsel wrote:
Does your trike have o-ring chain or X-ring? If that is the case you were only lubing the sprockets anyway.

My case I would look for cheap replacement sprockets (industrial supply house) and reg motorcycle roller chain as replacement---industrial chain will not cut it.


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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 17, 2019 3:06 pm

I was just informed by motor trike receptionist ( who I had phoned yesterday for info), the tech. advised her, since I was the first to reach 8,000 miles (as far as they knew) with this GT3 kit, 8,000 miles is a NORMAL REPLACEMENT ISSUE. In other words: every 8,000 miles I will need to replace the front and rear sprockets and chain ! Wow, I hate to see her go, but, as soon as I get her back, she will be in excellent condition and SOLD ASAP. May I sincerely offer my apologies to anyone who purchased this kit on MY recommendation. I was unaware that this would EVER happen in such a short amount of time. Their is a possible other explanation: my installer did not do a correct job or, it is what it is (IMO), a design flaw ? Time will tell, I will try and keep up with whoever the new owner will be.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 17, 2019 4:36 pm

Did/does you GT3 kit have a weird sounding "bounce" type noise while in motion? Its actually hard to describe, but it speeds up and slows down with the scooter. Its not the belt or clutch, but coming form the kit itself. Now, chain. That does sound like a good chunk of change in relation to miles for a chain and sprocket but my rocket bike gobbled them on a regular basis. Luckily I could do all the service work myself on the bike. If I get around to my local MotorTrike dealer I will ask them for an estimate on the sprockets, just to compare. And selling it depends on how much you truly love it and how much riding you do per year. Ours just gets ridden local around the 'hood, no road trips yet. The other option would be a Can Am Ryker. After our Spyder I have my hesitation with the brand. Insane expensive service work and constant issues.
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To be honest, at this point in my life, I am tired of the expense of it all. IF I did the work myself, I would consider keeping it. We both travel about  4,000 miles a year and what it takes to maintain our cars vs. Trike....I think I will sale it for 7,000 ( per my dealers suggestion), and move on. I thought about a Goldwing Trike, however, I would still have yearly maint. Expences having to use a qualified mech.; so, my bike riding day's might just come to an end. Sad
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sc00ter wrote:
Did/does you GT3 kit have a weird sounding "bounce" type noise while in motion? Its actually hard to describe, but it speeds up and slows down with the scooter. Its not the belt or clutch, but coming form the kit itself. Now, chain. That does sound like a good chunk of change in relation to miles for a chain and sprocket but my rocket bike gobbled them on a regular basis. Luckily I could do all the service work myself on the bike. If I get around to my local MotorTrike dealer I will ask them for an estimate on the sprockets, just to compare. And selling it depends on how much you truly love it and how much riding you do per year. Ours just gets ridden local around the 'hood, no road trips yet. The other option would be a Can Am Ryker. After our Spyder I have my hesitation with the brand. Insane expensive service work and constant issues.


To answer your "bounce" question. The only sound I had is what appeared to be a plastic cracking sound when I would hit a bump or sometimes turning tight corner's, I believe this was caused due to the close tolerance of the fenders to the wheels. The only other sound that I observed was what appeared to be a rubbing sound coming from within my rear axles. To which I was told this was normal.
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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 17, 2019 6:05 pm

I just remembered that when I first got her, there was too much air in the rear tires, when I talked with MT tech. they said I should run between 21 and 24 lbs. in the rear tires. When I did I no longer had any bounce.
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All , this is sad....having spent a lifetime throwing money at motorcycle/scooter things, I would get rid of it-----want to stay on 3 wheels, new Can Am shaft driven 3 wheeler is designed from get go as trike and may be better deal....and safer. Try trade in.

Since after US after- market stuff seems to be built to no safety/tested standard or fit----something made from get go as trike probably better deal and should provide better service and get rid of belts/chains, too.










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john grinsel wrote:
All , this is sad....having spent a lifetime throwing money at motorcycle/scooter things, I would get rid of it-----want to stay on 3 wheels, new Can Am shaft driven 3 wheeler is designed from get go as trike and may be better deal....and safer.   Try  trade in.

Since after US after- market stuff seems to be built to  no safety/tested standard or fit----something made from get go as trike probably better deal and should provide better service and get rid of belts/chains, too.


I agree to some point, but NOT a CanAm….They are almost the worse bikes on the market. Harley makes a trike in their factory, but they too have many problems. If I were to ever go back to triking it would be a Goldwing 1800.







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PostSubject: Re: Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit   Sad news about my GT3 Motor Trike kit I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 18, 2019 2:52 pm

The next issue of Motorcycle Consumer News is doing the Ryker review. I just remember the dealer telling me to bring my wifes 2012 Spyder RTSE5 in when it was locking itself. How? It LOCKED ITSELF with the electronic parking brake! Towing is a hassle and most tow companies will pass because of that. Final nail was when the dealer would hook it up to the diagnostic computer for $245, just to have it pull the code. Never again. So Im just saying my "heads-up" when it comes to Can-Am. The Ryker is supposed to change all that. Yeah, whatever.... The Harley Freewheeler is cool and their quality has improved ten-fold. Not many options out there for a factory trike.
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Further to this: I have a lady friend who rode her Motor-Triked Burgy 650 from here (east coast) to the west coast, did some National Parks touring, then headed back home. Incident-free, she got as far as Missouri where the bike refused to move. It turned out to be the same, worn out chain and rounded sprockets, as yours, Pastor Ron. She loaded the Burgy in a U-Haul, drove home, to have it repaired. Coincidently, I'd estimate the trip miles at that point to be a bit over 8,000 miles. And I know for a fact that she never did the kerosine wash thing.

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My take on three wheel trikes with one wheel in front=they are dangerous---remember how your trike tipped over then your were a kid And how Honda took their 3 wheel ATV off the market.

My 3 wheeler experience---well over 100,000 km with Messerschmitts---3 wheeler pusher, they were at least manageable and fairly safe as you really had work to raise the inside wheel.
=I will always remember the local cop on his Servicar trying to chase us on our 125's HD----one time inside wheel raised sending him into some yard=no steering control.
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Cosmic_Jumper wrote:
Further to this: I have a lady friend who rode her Motor-Triked Burgy 650 from here (east coast) to the west coast, did some National Parks touring, then headed back home. Incident-free, she got as far as Missouri where the bike refused to move. It turned out to be the same, worn out chain and rounded sprockets, as yours, Pastor Ron. She loaded the Burgy in a U-Haul, drove home, to have it repaired.  Coincidently, I'd estimate the trip miles at that point to be a bit over 8,000 miles. And I know for a fact that she never did the kerosine wash thing.

Tim


Thank you VERY MUCH Tim, for that info...there was just something wrong with my mech. telling me it was MY FAULT for putting kerosene on the chain. Again, thank you.
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Wow 8,000 and a shot drive system sold as NORMAL ? wear, that will cure me of wanting one when the time comes. IF it even approaches their NORMAL I would be looking at a beefier chain and sprocket for the drive system. Looking back at my chain driven bikes I never had a chain / sprocket failure that early, wear yes replacement yes, even the Honda 175 CB was past the 35,000 mile mark before replacement.
How does one adjust your trike chain tension?
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Kerosene is oil. Oil would not hurt the parts you are talking about.
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Wow 8,000 and a shot drive system sold as NORMAL ? wear, that will cure me of wanting one when the time comes. IF it even approaches their NORMAL I would be looking at a beefier chain and sprocket for the drive system. Looking back at my chain driven bikes I never had a chain / sprocket failure that early, wear yes replacement yes, even the Honda 175 CB was past the 35,000 mile mark before replacement.
How does one adjust your trike chain tension?
one must loosen bolts on both swing arms and then turn both sides of adjustment screws
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How well doing that can one be sure that wheel alignment / final drive sprocket and drive sprocket are both aligned to each other? The other is as the sprockets wear and the teeth " sharpen and become more pointer the more difficult it is to keep that alignment. Any offset between the sprockets can put the chain in a bind and cause even more wear.
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What size chain does it use? 8k and it's worn out not right. Most motorcycle chain sizes are 520-530 and are very strong. A good chain even on a 100 HP bike will last 20k. 50 HP SW same or more.

Not much info. on their website but sounds like the weak link that should be addressed. I'd also be very disappointed with that problem. $$$ lots of cash on a conversion and it fails.
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Makes me feel better for my Voyager trike (four wheels), no chains/sprockets to wear. The Voyager came with the 2004 Swing. Not sure how often I will need to replace the belt. Once the frame bracket is aligned, you just have to adjust the pre-load.
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I never had the chain adjusted since it had been put on....the tension was correct until cleaning, then it would loosen, after driving to mech. to check it, it would be tight again. I tried telling what was happening, all they would say is " it seems to be OK now."
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