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PostSubject: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 8:20 am

No great fan of heated clothes/plug ins/wires.

More than 10 years ago, Suzuki GS500E, end of trip to Central America, in Northern Mexico----really cold, I had electric jacket liner and really no other warm clothes along. Liner crapped out!! Put me in $150 a night hotel....to get warm.

Yesterday, hooking up wires for heated bib (prep for trip to Quebec--end of April). Wires run direct from battery, fused,-----for whatever reason turned on, even replaced fuse----did not work. So threw all in trash!

My experience, cold weather riding, feather jacket under riding jacket, real cold add feather vest to that---think, dressed warm, fall off/crash, you probably won't freeze to death waiting for help.

And I hate to be wired/connected to bike----forget you are hooked up, you can actually pull stopped bike over----In Japan, Cops are wired to their bikes, once watched one jump off bike, in hurry, and pulled every thing over.Their bikes have "crash bars" or roll over bars so little damage is done to bike in roll over. SilverWing not!

I ride in all weathers, seldom get cold or wet----but dress for it, including rubber boots or waterproof boots---Still really have not worked out glove/mitt problem in wet/cold, so carry several pair and can usually make it thru day with dry warm hands.

Just added hand guards, mirror stem mounted to my CB300F----they would work on SilverWing-----but do they really work/protect? Have not had chance to ride in all day rain---they do seem to block wind and maybe hands stay warm a little longer. $20 on ebay.

Next bike for me will have heated grips. Did once have really warm/waterproof riding suit--"Thermo Boy" from Germany---so warm you could sleep/rest in snow bank and not be cold or wet.
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PostSubject: Heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 8:41 am

John I installed the same mirror mount wind deflectors you mentioned and they actually do help. The only thing to be careful of on a Silverwing is when handlebars are turned all the way in either direction the guards will just barely touch the edge of your windshield. Luckily the only time this will occur will be when you are pushing the bike around manually and use all the steering travel. Thanks for your great information as usual.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 9:04 am

Down garments work by your body heat warming the air space or loft between the down, and they are effectively in cold, dry conditions. We don't have cold dry winters in the UK. It's well known that getting a down garment (or sleeping bag) wet makes it useless as it loses all warming insulating qualities, making that jacket effectively useless. You can't dry out down garments quickly either.

With a similar style jacket or vest filled with a polyester fibre, you can get that wet and it'll still keep you warm.

I have a Keis heated jacket, it warms my collar, back, chest, sleeves, and around my kidney area. It plugs directly into the left glovebox 12v socket on a long lead. It has a big red 'Remove Before Flight' tag fixed to the cable as a visual reminder. My Keis heated inner gloves plug into sockets stored in zipped pockets on the jacket sleeves, and I can adjust the heat levels using the jackets variable heat controller.

The jacket also can be used with battery leads, and I also have the Keis remote push button heat controller that I can fit onto the handlebars and it's no different than switching on my heated grips.

The Keis jacket also on works very well on it's own as a casual jacket, and makes a great inner and insulating layer for my unlined Klim Overland jacket, it's a versatile piece of kit.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 10:05 am

I am well aware of the shortcomings of wet down gear... secret good outer jacket so you do not get wet on the inside----also have had some luck with poly fill jackets.

Really horrible weather my current Darien jacket keeps you dry for 2-8 hours behind fairing, best for me was Aerostich one piece with Barbour XL size jacket over the top of suit. Warmer and really worked.

Having lived/ridden in Germany for near 25 years and riding everyday, rode thru some really crappy weather.

My question: what are old farts doing out in really bad weather? Well sometimes you get caught in it and have to get somewhere or home. I rode to several Elephant rallies---best solo machine my Vespa P150E----MZ sidecar outfit made it easy.
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PostSubject: Heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 10:24 am

This thread is most informative and entertaining. Two Silverwing Gurus with different solutions to an age old problem. I am continuing to learn from both of you and not trying to simplify matters but with all due respect would'nt a good fitting high quality rain suit be one answer to the wet jackets, vests, and pants?
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 11:35 am

Don't get hung up on the Silver Wing Guru label, it's of no significance.
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PostSubject: clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 11:43 am

Okay...agreed. What is your opinion on the rain suit as a way to combat wet clothes?
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 1:49 pm

Not rain suit----but real riding outfit like Aerostich Darien Jacket and pants and there are others. I used to like English wax cotton---Barbour fit me best, wear jacket and pants---starts to rain you do not need to put on ill fitting rain suit. But waxed cotton can leave hands/wrists and any thing the suit touched, greasy. But putting on rain suit on cold mornings can add warmth, however.

Once you are wet, puting rain suit over=waste of time, but maybe makes being wet a little warmer.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 1:52 pm

I don't have an opinion, wet weather riding is all part of the game. I always wear riding gear that has some degree of waterproofing. Whether it's a vented summer suit that can take heavy rain showers and then dry quickly, or a laminated Gore-Tex suit that's literally bomb proof in torrential rain, sheds rain droplets and doesn't wet out.

I carry a pack containing full rain gear including rain gloves and a set of over gloves. Usually I'll just wear a rain jacket to keep a light coloured textile jacket from getting grubby from road spray. My rain suit is a two piece and breathable to prevent condensation building up inside.

The minus side of wearing a full two piece rain suit is desperately having to fight your way through multiple layers and zippers to haul your todger out.  Neutral
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PostSubject: Clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 2:09 pm

LOL...........well allrighty then. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and even a good laugh to boot.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 2:18 pm

Rain suit is good for all conditions above, except, because of its 100% effectiveness in keeping water out, it is also 100% effective in keeping body moisture in.  Wear it long enough, and you will feel very uncomfortable, unless you forget why, and when eventually removing it at your destination, you realize how refreshing it is to take that "unbreatheable" stuff off.  

However, if you are riding into the evening and begin getting cold because you  didn't dress prepared for the cold, pull out that rain jacket, and the blockage of the colder air will get you home with much less danger of hypothermia.  

That's where a simple, light, nylon/polyester shell (wind breaker) that can fit in your smaller glove box can be an excellent cover, even resisting some rain, but being ounce-for-ounce and cubic inch for cubic inch one of the best items you can carry on your bike.  Though not rain proof, these simple body shells block the wind and wick your body moisture enough to keep you comfortable.

I wear a high-viz shell over my mesh armor jacket. The jacket provides the insulating air space needed between my body and the outer shell to keep me warm on all cool--and many cold--days.
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PostSubject: clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 2:28 pm

I tend to agree. Thank you for the advice bikehiker.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12, 2018 5:28 pm

Heated gear can extend your riding season. I've only had one failure wire came loose in plug not the gear. Pulled over and reattached wires i carry some basic tools so no problem.

Its nice for cold mornings or all day trips if needed. You can only put on so many layers and things get tight under normal riding gear. Heat can be adjusted to very low or full as needed.

Gerbing stuff is good. Cycle Gear also sells heated gear. You will need a different style outlet to power it though. Powerlet Site sells this type of outlet.

SW has a good amount of excess voltage to power a vest or jacket liner but not much more.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeTue Mar 13, 2018 2:12 pm

Well I have been riding most of the winter, I wear the Base layer, windproof layer Keis heated vest, kidney belt, inner fleece and outer layer. I have the Keis heated inner gloves ,but, they don't warm up enough for me ( with setting on low heat, I find any higher setting too warm in the vest). I also have heated handlebars. I bought a pair of cheap gloves, classed as thermal leather( goatskin) for £10 and they have been the best buy, as they are as warm as any gloves I have ever had. It is starting to get warmer now but i'll keep my handlebar mitts on a while longer. I power my Keis vest direct from the battery (via the controller) and run the cable under the seat.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeTue Mar 13, 2018 8:34 pm

Heat is nice on a cold day. Other options in UK for gear that's good.
I'm running the wire under the seat for now to controller velcro d below right cubby.

Want to do it better no wires showing on tunnel.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 14, 2018 2:33 pm

I would be interested to see what you come up with Mech 1, as I don't like the wire hanging loose I cut a small groove in the battery casing and passed the wire up and over the Tool holding tray. I just tuck the cable under the seat when not in use.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 14, 2018 2:50 pm

Mech 1 twa wrote:
Heated gear can extend your riding season.  I've only had one failure wire came loose in plug not the gear. Pulled over and reattached wires i carry some basic tools so no problem.

Its nice for cold mornings or all day trips if needed. You can only put on so many layers and things get tight under normal riding gear.  Heat can be adjusted to very low or full as needed.

Gerbing stuff is good. Cycle Gear also sells heated gear.  You will need a different style outlet to power it though.  Powerlet Site sells this type of outlet.  

SW has a good amount of excess voltage to power a vest or jacket liner but not much more.

Mech 1 TWA,

I have the Cycle Gear equipment, I have discovered that you can discharge your battery if you have set everything too high in current draw. I have learned how to ration the juice so that this does not happen again.Once running again I can turn the current back on.

So far I have had no problems with the Cycle gear equipment, Everything works OK even though I have only used it three winters.

Also I unplug the Waist supply which powers everything, A couple minutes before I stop for Gas. That way I do not hear that sickening click when I hit the Starter Button.

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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 14, 2018 8:04 pm

Drawing to many amps will deplete the battery its also not good for the stator.. Makes it very hot and shortens it life. Installing a good voltage display that indicates battery voltage is nice but i haven't done this on SW other bike yes. Datel volt meter. 13.2 is minimum to keep the battery charged and not damaging anything.
Max charging is at 5000 rpm at idle drops a lot.

Adding power outlets through panels is nice. Controller will need to be mounted in a easy to reach spot near, below left cubby. Wires to gear can't avoid that issue but you must unplug to get off anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeThu Jan 18, 2024 5:02 pm

Old Limey wrote:
I would be interested to see what you come up with Mech 1, as I don't like the wire hanging loose I cut a small groove in the battery casing and passed the wire up and over the Tool holding tray. I just tuck the cable under the seat when not in use.

Any chance you would be able to send a photo of this please - as I have something similar I am looking to attempt for my heated vest with controller. Rather than velcro, I have in the past used some mecchano to create an 'arm' that sticks out and the controller is just below the seat front. Have not tried any of this yet on the SW (only just got it - 2012 model)

Agree heated winter kit for cold damp UK winters + Hein Gerricke Goretex :-)
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeFri Jan 19, 2024 5:29 am

Old Limey hasn’t posted on here for a few years now, and you're revisiting a topic on heated clothing that is almost 6 years old.

I have a Keis heated jacket and a set of Keis heated inner gloves that plug into the jackets sleeves. The heat controller is on a lead in the left jacket pocket, the power lead plugs in near the bottom and the 12v lead is fused adjustable to whatever heated kit you’re using. I also have a Keis remote handlebar heat controller which I've played about with and never used.

As the Keis jacket is such a nifty piece of kit on its own, its warming and insulating properties are sufficient I'm never cold enough to have to plug it in. I'll be wearing it later under my Klim unlined jacket, rather than my usual cold weather riding jacket.


The item of riding kit I find essential in winter isn't heated gear, it's a helmet fitted with an adjustable peak to block being dazzled by low winter sun.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeFri Jan 19, 2024 6:37 am

Gibbo, since this is an old topic feel free to add whatever you come up with to this discussion or begin a new thread.  I spend winters in Arizona so heated gear is not a necessity Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeFri Jan 19, 2024 3:42 pm

thanks folks - will see what I can stup and post :-)
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 20, 2024 10:14 am

I have wired up my STs for heated gear so all I have to do is plug into a port I made on the left side of the fairing on each bike. I could do this I guess with the SWing, by using a fused link right off the battery, but I use a battery heated vest as well as battery heated gloves (both via Amazon) and the heat lasts long enough for a 3-5 hr ride. Just in case wiring is more of a hassle on the SWing (which it can be) or if it will prematurely wear down the electrics of the bike.
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 20, 2024 12:46 pm

I like feather jackets under my Aerostich to keep warm and comfortable----had electric clothes failure in Mexico near Montery---almost froze to death----only fix expensive hotel----always carry bike clothes and waterproof boots or rubber overboots, proper riding jacket----gloves/mitts, only thing that has worked for me are Aerostich three finger over mitts---they are water proof all day and can add some warmth. I think fail proof heated grips would be nice, but never had any
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PostSubject: Re: My experience with heated clothing   My experience with heated clothing I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 20, 2024 7:27 pm

I have a couple of down jackets for cold weather weather, but they're absolutely useless when wet and loses its loft and insulation. Get a down sleeping bag wet and you're in for a miserable night.

I also had an Aerostich Roadcrafter two piece in the Nineties, it was very expensive to import into the UK from the US and and to be honest, disappointing. It wasn't very good warmth wise, The Velcro on the wrists and pockets gave up after a three or four years, and I had to send the pants back to Aerostich in Duluth to get the zipper that joined the pants and jacket repaired.

Rubber over boots another waste of time, I had a pair of Tingley over boots back then too, they were difficult to fit over normal leather bike boots, which is the last thing you want when you need to don rain gear quickly. They're totally unnecessary on a maxi scooter anyway. My go to boots for maxi riding for well over 20 years were a pair of basic Hi-Tec Magnums with no waterproof membrane, they never let in water, we’re all day comfortable, and I've even been up a couple of Lake District fells wearing them.

I replaced the Magnums last year that were still doing sterling service simply because I wanted a change, online Searches and wanders round large motorcycle clothing stores were a waste of time, I did get the ideal replacement boots from an alternative supplier, and a pair of Icon Stormhawk boots with the Boa closure system fo summer use.

As for heated grips, I've had them on a few BMW's and they weren't particularly impressive. Neither were the one's that were Genuine Accessories to Japanese maxi scooters like the Silver Wing, and Burgmans. I didn’t get any fitted when I bought my Forza for that reason.

I like good quality kit, once I've bought a maxi scooter and kitted it out weather protection and storage wise, that's it. There's no way I'm going to waste money on fancy exhausts, Dr Pulley bits, fork springs or  rear shocks. I might go for Iridium plugs at some point, and the fanciest I've been with the Forza in the last couple of years is a stash of fully synthetic oil.
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