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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:38 am

The AF214 is also available in Canada from:

http://www.bluestreakracing.ca/en/index.html

Tony charges $219.99 Cdn, shipping included.
That's where I bought all my GIVI stuff from.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:43 am

thomphoto wrote:
Wonder what the deal is with most of the dealers saying "photo not available". How hard is it for Givi to furnish a photo of their product.



http://www.giviusa.com/Screens--spoilers/AIRFLOW/

They have all photos except for the SWing.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:57 am

It's there on the UK Givi site: http://www.givi.co.uk/Screens--spoilers/AIRFLOW/AF214
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:43 pm

Jeff i went on a nice long ride yesterday to try out my Airhawk seat pad Did not have to adjust the windshield. It was fine. But nice to know I could if I needed to .So I think it is a keeper for me Tony
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:20 pm

Adjustability..........

Ideally, you should be able to see over the shield without straining, yet be able to drop your head to look through the plastic if conditions warrant. You should be able to view the road clearly in your immediate path of travel (approximately two to four seconds or 100 feet ahead).

In the pictures below I have placed yellow caution tape just beyond the front of the house across the driveway at the 100' mark.

In the first picture the Givi is at its lowest setting with yours truly sitting in the proper riding position. In the second the screen is set at the highest. I'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam and the camera is at eye level.

The third is just a shot from the back of the scoot, everybody else shoots the front of the shield





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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:33 pm

Trouble,

How do you like the screen so far? I really like this and consider it my favorite one so far. For some reason the more I ride my SWing it just seems to ride a bit smoother for some reason. What other screens have you had on your SWing and how do you compare this screen to your others? I'm just curious.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:24 am

Thanks for the links to this shield guys. I've ordered one from Helmet Head and I can't wait for it to arrive.

Laurie
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:38 pm

This is an ingenious design that makes a lot of sense. It has small panels which prevents flexing. It directs the full air blast over and around your head and hand grips but directs a nice unintimidating breeze to those areas. It works well for me (5' 6") at the lowest setting which places the lowest part of the air blast above the very top of my helmet. I am so glad I bought it! It does what a short or tall shield alone cannot do.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:05 pm

The only other shield that I’ve had on the S wing is the stocker. The Givi gives a nice "unintimidating breeze" (thanks trooth2u, well put!) this breeze is the same at 20mph or 70mph and seems to come from the sides of the bottom or stationary part of the shield. The only other windshield I have owned that quieter and calmer was the Tulsa Tall on a GL1500.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:59 pm

Received my Givi Airflow today from Helmet Head for $215.09 including shipping, and it took about 15 minutes to install since I had installed windshields several times before. I took a 30 minute test ride starting at the lowest setting and working my way up about 2 inches at a time to the top setting. I found that the middle setting seemed to work best for me, and allowed me to see over the screen. I'm 5'9". I have had the regular Givi shield, and the Clearview Small, Medium, and Large, trying to find the perfect one. I have been using the Medium lately, but with my full face helmet with the shield down, I was getting a lot of noise. With the Airflow, the noise was significantly reduced, if not eliminated. There was a pretty stiff side wind while I was riding, so I will do another test when it is calmer. My overall opinion is that I think this is going to be my final screen. About the only downside to this screen is when you have it up at the highest setting and looking thru, there is a little distortion.
Thanks Jeff for the excellent review of this product, and this fantastic forum. (So far, I haven't rated being kicked off the "other" site)
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:26 pm

thomphoto,

It is quite isn't it? The more I ride with this new screen the more I notice how it is quieter and it also seems to make the SWing a smoother ride. It seems to manage all the air that is hitting this screen in a much nicer manner. It is hard to describe it sometimes but the front end doesn't appear to be effected by the wind as much. It is my favorite screen now too, and for me to change to another screen it would have to be an awfully nice one. Givi really got this screen right in my opinion, and it appears to be a big "winner" for me.

Oh, and thanks for the compliment for the site, but it is the members that make it good not me. But thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:37 pm

I agree, having daily ridden with it for 2 weeks now. It lets a ton of nice breezy but not harsh rough air to hit your head. Just the right amount. A taller screen would allow too little air, and a shorter one, too rough air. This is perfect! I was riding in 90 degree temps the other day and it wasn't bad with the breeze. If I get a chance to encounter a heavy rain storm I'll report on it. In off and on light rain I found I was able to raise and lower the screen with one hand while riding.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:56 pm

Have any of you guys that have used the new GIVI screen gone straight from the stock screen to the new GIVI, or did you go from an aftermarket screen to the new GIVI?

I find the stock screen with a Laminar Lip to be pretty quiet up to about 75 mph. After that, I get a little whistling noise between the LL and the screen because I have the LL attached so high. When I had the cut-down-two-inches GIVI screen on, it was definitely noisier than the stock w/ LL.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:02 pm

Philip,

I started out, of course, with the stock screen, and then went to the XL Clearview with the vent, and then to the standard Givi screen. The Clearview was good until I hit interstate speeds and then it would flex really bad. There were only a couple of us where that happened but I hear that Clearview did start to "not" sell the XL with a vent now.

This airflow works kind of like a big Laminar Lip. It will push the air up with a lot of force and that air pushes the air that is wanting to come over the screen. I had the Laminar Lip on my Givi when I had my Majesty and it worked good. I just think that this screen seems to be a big quieter than the Givi and I think it is because it manages the air so much better. Maybe others will chime in what have the Airflow and had other screens too. The stock screen drove me nuts and I hated it since it would almost rip my head off when going at interstate speeds.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:35 pm

I tried this style of windshield out on a Honda NT 700. Loved It! Now Givi comes out with one for a Swing. Why do they wait till after I shell out for a regular GIVI? This windshield seems to give the best of both worlds and its stylish to. Maybe one day. I did do one thing to make changing out the windshields quick and painless. I cut the brackets off of the front fairing piece that covers the windshield so that onlythe screws are holding it in. No more fussing with trying to pop it off. I can now change my windshields in 5 minutes. The Givi goes on in the fall and stays on in the spring and the stock shield comes on in late spring and stays on until the fall when it starts cooling off. I guess this is the next best thing to that new adjustable windshield.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:03 pm

ronjr009 wrote:
I cut the brackets off of the front fairing piece that covers the windshield so that onlythe screws are holding it in.


I had thought about that. Don't you find that the windshield garnish now buzzes and vibrates at higher speeds?
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:12 pm

JeffR, thanks for the follow up. I had just kind of wondered if the stock shield with LL was as quiet as the new GIVI. Sounds like you feel it is close, but the new GIVI is quieter.

I am doing the same thing as Ron is doing - GIVI in the cool/cold weather and the stocker in the warm weather, both with the LL. I find the LL makes a big difference on both screens. I'll probably continue with this system until one of the screens breaks, only for cost reasons (read: too cheap to pay for another screen).
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:33 pm

Hi Bigbird,

Honestly, I've not noticed any kind of buzzing or noise associated with cutting off the tabs. I just got so sick and tired of trying to fuss with getting it off that I simply decided it was time for the tabs to go. The screws do a great job of holding it in place. I think you should be fine if you cut the tabs off. You will be a whole lot happier and less frustrated come time to change the windshields. Even if by chance you do happen to notice any noise or vibration, you could always use something to "dampen" it such as adhesive backed foam or something similar. But I think you'll be fine though as I've never had any noise problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:47 pm

I never thought about cutting off the tabs but I can usually get mine off in just a few seconds though. I lost my screws somewhere and only the tabs are holding it in and it doesn't rattle either.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:43 am

I can get the garnish off and swap windshields in 10 minutes with tabs and screws. The key to the tabs is this:
1) Remove the 4 screws holding the garnish in place.
2) Pull down gently on the TOP of the garnish right under the windshield to loosen the black wind opening vent and top screw mounts.
2)Take a thin piece of plastic like a credit card and insert it into the top of the garnish beside the turn signal. Slide the card down inside the garnish until it reaches the outside bottom of the garnish. The card will pull the garnish out enough to relieve the pressure on the tab.
3) With the plastic still inserted at the bottom of the garnish, use your fist to lightly punch the top of the garnish just under the windshield. The sharp downwards jolt will release the tab. Do the same thing on the opposite side of the garnish to release the opposite tab.
This is guaranteed to not break the tabs off.

For reinstallation, push the garnish back on so that the wind vent lines up inside the front above the headlight. Press down at the bottom of the garnish to get the tabs re-engaged behind the plastic. Then line up the screw boxes at the top of the garnish. If the lower garnish is not fully seated, take your fist and lightly pound on the bottom of the garnish to seat both tabs. Reinstall the 4 screws. The order shouldn't matter.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:33 am

I'm delighted to say that my windshield arrived today from the US - it's taken about 10 days but I've got it at last.

Looking at the instructions (which are barely readable!!), it looks as if I've got to drill some holes before fitting. Did you guys drill anything? I don't remember reading anything about that in the 'pictorial instructions' or your posts.

If that's going to be the case, I may take it to my dealer to get it fitted - I don't trust myself to do it !!

Laurie
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:04 am

Laurie you are right the instructions have a lot to be desired.The reason for drilling the holes is for the 2 mounting brackets A good number of Swing owners do not mount the brackets, So no drilling and it has been fine. Now what I found out from all the good info. here Is that Givi and Honda had a love affair at one time The Swing was made to except a lot of givi after market Acc.So when you mount the brackets with existing bolts There is a place for 2 more bolts on each side If you drill about 3mm deep at these locations just thru the plastic there are 2 capture nuts under the plastic I used a drill bit slightly larger then the bolts that came with your shield. Reason you get confused is the instructions don't tell you why you are drilling and that the nuts are already there. I mounted the 2 brackets I think it makes it a lot stiffer If you are still a little leary about doing it you can take it to a Dealer But they might know less than you Tony
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:32 am

I just mounted it like you would mount a stock shield...didn't drill any holes and it's fine and very stable...less flexing than any shield I've used before.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:06 am

I also haven't used the metal brackets on either the GIVI or Airflow. I haven't had any problems with flexing or stress cracking around the 6 standard holes. But then again I don't drive above 120 km/h, nor into hurricane force winds.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:16 am

Laurie,

I tried to use the metal strip but just put it aside since I didn't use it on the standard Givi shield either. And like Tony said, the dealers sometimes don't know anymore than the average SWing owner so you may want to try to do this yourself. There is a "Pictorial" that should help you out in the "Pictorial" section. It should only take about 30 mins the first time you do this.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:07 am

Well, I managed to fit the screen yesterday. It took me about 45 minutes without losing any screws, washers, grommets or breaking any tabs!!

Took it out for a test run and, my goodness, what a difference it's made. It's quieter (I can hear myself think!), not much buffeting at all and even in the slip-stream of trucks and cars it felt much more stable.

What I love about it is that it can be adjusted by millimetres. I was afraid that it only had 3 settings (bottom, middle, top), so I have it set exactly where I want it.

Thanks again for all your tips and help guys. Couldn't have done it without you!!

Laurie
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:16 am

For those of you that did not drill the plastic I'm here to tell you it's not a big deal.

When you mount the stainless plate without the shield in place and drill thru the plastic all you are doing is exposing a pre drilled / threaded boss in the steel frame that holds the entire front fairing to the scoot.

Light pressure on the drill and the plate for a guide will put you on the mark to use that third mounting point.


BTW .... Stress cracks in the future or miss drilled holes now will set you back the price of a new front nose piece .... $320. to $370. depending on the year and or color.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:22 pm

trouble1100 wrote:
For those of you that did not drill the plastic I'm here to tell you it's not a big deal.


I second that.

Also, it's not necessary, but if you want to have a better view, I seem to remember that that black plastic piece (the one that sort of forms the dash/top of inst. cluster) comes out with just a couple screws and clips, and then you can see the nut and exactly what you're drilling into.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:37 pm

Where is a good place to buy this windshield? thanks billc. and what is a good price?
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AirFlow Adjustable Windshield Review   Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:40 am

Twisted Throttle has them - it seems the standard price is $215 and change.

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