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PostSubject: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:48 am

So there I was yesterday evening, about 25 miles into the 150 home journey from York to my home in Cumbria. I was on the A1(M) motorway doing 70 mph in the centre lane after overtaking some trucks when... bang! something struck the top of my helmet. At first I thought it was a bird, but it was the top section of my Givi shield, it had detatched itself from the lower section, no warning, just bang! and away.

The wind blast on my chest, and the noise level inside my helmet increased despite the ear plugs I was weariing, and focused my attention to the missing shield section. Luckily the traffic was pretty light in the early evening and there was no cars or trucks close behind me to be hit by the polycarbonate shield.

Why and how it happened I've no idea, I've probably rode 1000 miles or more since I last adjusted the shield, and both clamps were fully locked. As the shield struck the top of my Schuberth J1 open face helmet it also neatly removed the ventilation scoop on the top.

The rest of the ride home was uneventful, but it was cold riding in a summer riding suit behind half a windshield. I stopped and put on my EDZ windshirt before riding up over the County Durham section of the Pennines. Even wearing ear plugs it was pretty noisy riding, and I had a good splattering of insects on my visor when I arrived home.

I've made enquires about a replacement top section, and I'm still waiting to hear how much it will cost.

So y'all go and check your Airflows now.

Meldrew
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:55 am

Not good! Glad it didn't do you any damage.

I have wondered if it might fly off - perhaps it's time to drill a small hole and attach a safety-cord.

Thanks for the heads-up.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:20 am

Meldrew wrote:
I was on the A1(M) motorway doing 70 mph in the centre lane after overtaking some trucks when... bang! something struck the top of my helmet. At first I thought it was a bird, but it was the top section of my Givi shield, it had detatched itself from the lower section, no warning, just bang! and away.


Meldrew wrote:
Why and how it happened I've no idea, I've probably rode 1000 miles or more since I last adjusted the shield, and both clamps were fully locked.

JeffR_,

Do you still have the Givi contact who provided you the Givi Airflow. We should let them know ... this is very dangerous.

Meldrew,

Were you able to find the top portion of the windshield to see if the windshield failed/broke??

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:56 am

I think I would have risked certain death trying to recover the windshield by turning and riding against the traffic flow on the emergency hard shoulder to wherever it landed on the motorway, stopping the Silver Wing, and then running out into three lanes of very fast traffic in an attempt to retrieve it, then running back to the hard shoulder. I'd have been road kill, or embedded in the front grill of a truck like Lotso bear in Toy Story 3, and probably have caused more fatalities in a multiple pile up too.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:28 pm

Now you had me thinking, So went and checked my shield. And sure enough one of the adjusting nuts was a little loose. When I tugged on the top half of the shield one side slipped up about a 1/2". Took the top shield off and snugged up both adjusting nuts (10MM) on backside of the cam levers. Never thought about it before, Now that would sure wake me up. Sorry about that Mishap.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:11 pm

tonylumps wrote:
And sure enough one of the adjusting nuts was a little loose.

Is this a documented maintenance item by Givi??

Givi's installation are typically horrible ... I wonder if they even documented any maintenance.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:44 pm

So Meldrew, was there any plastic bits left in the clamps, like if the windscreen broke? Or do you have the impression it just slid right out of them? Is it possible that something hit it, and knocked it out? (I highly doubt it, but it was worth asking.)

I'm going to have to doublecheck mine...
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:49 pm

honda_silver wrote:

Is this a documented maintenance item by Givi??


Definitely not.
But it's a silverwing600.com maintenance item now.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:05 pm

Meldrew,

I'm sorry to hear about your windshield and hope you are ok. Here is the information I have for the person I was in contact with:

Craig Dougan

GIVI USA Inc

Charlotte NC

877 679-4484

www.giviusa.com

I will send you a PM with other info.

Thanks,

Jeff


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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:13 am

The 10MM nuts are Nylocks I never thought about checking the tension on the Cam locks when I installed the shield. Never Tugged at it anyway. So it was probably loose from the time I installed it Just a thought
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:31 am

Since being headbutted by the flying Airflow last week I've ordered a replacement top shield which will cost me £38 plus postage, £38 is about US $60, and I'll leave the Aussies and Canadians to do their own exchange rates. Smile

The problem was caused by the 10mm nylock nuts loosening off, I've since unlocked the cam levers and the clamps moved as I wiggled the levers. Last week moments before it came off, I had noticed the screen height had dropped and was angled more towards me, but I couldn't have done anything to prevent it flying off anyway.

To prevent any further mishaps with the replacement shield I'll make regular checks, and either Loctite the nylock nuts to prevent them slackening off, or carry a 10mm mini socket spanner in the glovebox.

I've also got an idea for preventing a loose shield from sliding out of the lower shield rails, but I need the replacement top shield to see if I can do it, and requires no drilling or fitting of cords.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:38 am

Meldrew wrote:

I've also got an idea for preventing a loose shield from sliding out of the lower shield rails, but I need the replacement top shield to see if I can do it, and requires no drilling or fitting of cords.



I still find it handy to remove my sliding top section for bug cleaning after a typical summer evening country ride.
Please elaborate when you get it all sorted out.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:00 am

I too removed sliding section to really clean up.

Little WD40 now and then on clamp lever. Now--GET THIS----did have to tighten the two nuts maybe more than once---10mm socket worked ok. Lite touch.

Never was concerned of it coming off---but saw the possibility

Would buy another of those windshields again, as they seem to be the best comfort/buffeting solution for SilverWing and other big scooters.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:16 am

Following this sage advice, I applied the 10mm socket to my nuts.
Didn't accomplish much.

Then I tightened my GIVI AirFlow.
Worked wonders.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:46 am

A few weeks ago I had visited grand kids in a nearby town and was on the way home when I hit a very major section of a city street that had been dug out slightly ( although at the time it seemed to be waist deep ) for repair. No signs or markers of any kind. I had just a second or two to hit the brakes before doing a nosedive. My Givi AirFlow top section went airborne. I was almost able to catch it. I at least was able to deflect it from my face. I immediately turned around and went back to get it. No damage to the section. I didn't think of it being a Givi problem at the time because that was a very SEVERE jolt. Since then I have paid attention to the top section as to how secure it seems to be in the clamps. Just a couple of days ago, I did tighten up the two nuts and will make it a routine check point for future servicing.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:50 am

bigbird wrote:
Following this sage advice, I applied the 10mm socket to my nuts.
Didn't accomplish much.

Then I tightened my GIVI AirFlow.
Worked wonders.


Wow! Applying anything to my nuts does me a world of good!
The sky's a little bluer, the airs a little clearer . . . . . . . . . .
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:09 pm

Tagg wrote:


Wow! Applying anything to my nuts does me a world of good!


Oh geez, too much information.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:34 pm

Tagg wrote:

Wow! Applying anything to my nuts does me a world of good!
The sky's a little bluer, the airs a little clearer . . . . . . . . . .


Sore subject in the Waspie household today.

Both these little fella's are minus theirs!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:56 pm

Yeah, I can tell their air is a little clearer... cute ... now how will you tell them apart?
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:01 pm

Easy Gary - attitude!!!!!

One is stubborn the other sensitive!
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:45 pm

[quote="Waspie"]
Tagg wrote:

Wow! Applying anything to my nuts does me a world of good!
The sky's a little bluer, the airs a little clearer . . . . . . . . . .


Sore subject in the Waspie household today.

Both these little fella's are minus theirs!!!!

I hope they get their motorcycles back!

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:32 am

As a follow up to Meldrews initial post about his upper screen departing!!!

I decided to check mine this morning as I noticed the right hand lever wasn't holding the upper section as firmly as it did. I did indeed get a aprt turn of the socket on the 10mil stiff nut.

So this of you riding with the Givi AF214 I would advice regular testing to ensure the upper screen is being held firmly.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Fri May 11, 2012 9:25 pm

I am far from being $loaded$, but I need relief from the buffeting, and to a lesser degree, wind noise. I'm afraid if I can't get relief I may have to sale my SWing. Made a 130 mile trip yesterday and was beat to death. Tell me what you think; would you go for a Givi AF214, and/or a Laminar Lip. Suggestions appreciated. I found a source to buy a Laminar Lip, but could not find a place to buy a Givi. I tried a Google search, but found none. If you know of a source, I would apprcate it.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Fri May 11, 2012 10:41 pm

Guy wrote:
I am far from being $loaded$, but I need relief from the buffeting, and to a lesser degree, wind noise. I'm afraid if I can't get relief I may have to sale my SWing. Made a 130 mile trip yesterday and was beat to death. Tell me what you think; would you go for a Givi AF214, and/or a Laminar Lip. Suggestions appreciated. I found a source to buy a Laminar Lip, but could not find a place to buy a Givi. I tried a Google search, but found none. If you know of a source, I would apprcate it.


Turned mine into a quiet, useable scooter, had it in less than 4 days.

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Sat May 12, 2012 4:23 am

Having purchased a Givi non-adjustable( had to cut down to see over), a Clearview with GoldWing Vent (again required some cutting), Laminar Lip on both of the mentioned shields (doesn't work) plus stock shield, I ended up with GIVI adjustable.....works quite well on SilverWing. As Base line I use experience with Heinrich Fairing equipped BMW or modern Base line my NT700V, which has some of the best air management in the business....looking over screen.

Buffeting can drive you nuts---last week did 2 600 plus mile days on my GIVI equipped (adj) Burgman---the shield combo does not work well on that scooter at high speeds. Have new 7Jurock shield coming.

Further I have MRA spoiler, used on Givi adj and stock burgman shield, bolted on=not work.

Too bad makers don't require designers and approvers of bike to ride them for 2 work weeks to make sure they work before putting on market. Common problem on modern scooters, you nose too far from tip of shield=buffeting----I think from looking at pictures of the 2 new BMW scooters, they will buffet! in addition to costing too much with their Taiwan heart.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Sat May 12, 2012 5:54 am

John, Last week you rode 2600 Miles, Where did you go?
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Sat May 12, 2012 7:30 am

Windrider wrote:
John, Last week you rode 2600 Miles, Where did you go?


I believe he meant Two 600 mile days
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Sat May 12, 2012 9:19 am

I rode two days 600 plus miles each----total for 7 day week must I have been well over 2500 miles. Went to MO, anything to get out of TN---today the idiots here are running red lites in their pickups---makes riding a scooter thrilling.
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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Sat May 12, 2012 9:33 am

First ride out today with my new AirFlow screen- love it!!! Laughing

Rode out with Mike and the X9OC guys, 110 miles on the clock when I got home.
Still tweaking the height to get it 'just right', but what a difference. Started at about 2 inches below eye level, then raised it about half an inch - seems to be about right for me, but more rides may lead to more small adjustments.
And I thought the stock screen was OK!!! Wrong!! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Givi AF214 Airflow Windshield.    Sat May 12, 2012 2:10 pm

Thanks Tagg. Ordered mine today.
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