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PostSubject: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 10:03 am

Just changed mine as the original nissin ones are looking a bit low, only 2 or 3mm left.
New ones are EBC which I've used on other bikes so are a familiar thing to me.
The oringinal pads have backing plate with an insert thats about 1mm thick. The backing plate fits on the new pads of course but the insert pushes the pads too close to go over the disk even with the caliper pistons right back and the sliding section opened as far as it can.
All I can think is that the EBC pads have more pad on them than the original nissin ones.
All back together except for the backing plates that are now on a shelf out of harms way.
Anyone else encountered this?
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PostSubject: rear brake pads    rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 11:44 am

I have not had this particular scenario with a S/W but if the pistons
are in all the way in it might be that there is a difference in ABS and non ABS systems, you might have the wrong pads.  Howard
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 12:01 pm

Nope, they are the recommended fitting incl abs, but I think the same caliper is used regardless of abs or not (it's the pump that does the clever stuff).
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 12:10 pm

I wouldn't worry about the plates, I have used EBC and other pads with no problems. Only time I was upset was when I fitted organic pads instead of sintered, never to be done again, I did not like the organic pads at all
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 3:12 pm

The phenolic/fiber spacer is a heat insulator and the stainless steel shim plate is to spread the piston force evenly on the insulator and reduce noise.

I would suggest using them if you have them and if you can get them to fit.
I use the OEM pads, and they come with new insulator and shims.
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 3:50 pm

FWIW The 06435-MCT-425 OEM rear brake pad thickness is ~4.7 mm. 

I've always felt that the EBC pads which I've been sold by my local Honda dealer haven't lasted as long as the OEM pads (which, curiously, the dealer doesn't stock). 

Tim
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 4:07 pm

Its not so obligatory to use them .If you insist they can be fitted after a couple handred miles.Be sure to use the HH type ones only.Premier brand are the same from the same factory and cheaper.
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 4:35 pm

Thanks Sidewinder, I did wonder if they were insulators.
Never seen insulators before though, often just the plates or nothing. Is it a common Honda thing?
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 5:33 pm

I found the EBC pads made a weird whirring sound on application and my Honda dealer also defaulted to the EBC's, probably more profit! I realized the difference when I had both front and rear replaced when the dealer changed both tires. I ordered a set of OEM pads and installed them with the insulators and shims and the noise disappeared.
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 27, 2016 6:28 pm

Noise wise EBC can be helped with a small file, use the to chamber the edges just a bit, if that doesn't work sing loudly to ones self Smile
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 28, 2016 6:45 pm

Old Limey wrote:
I wouldn't worry about the plates, I have used EBC and  other pads with no problems. Only time I was upset was when I fitted organic pads  instead of sintered, never to be done again, I did not like the organic pads at all
Old Limey,
Can you remember what it was you did not like about the organic pads?
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 28, 2016 10:43 pm

I've used EBC organics on three of my Goldwings and on one of the Silverwings I had. Never had a problem with them or had them make any discernable noise. I prefer the organics because they are easier on the brake discs than the sintered metal. On the Goldwings the pad life seemed about the same as the OEM pads. I don't know how long they'd last on the SW but I suspect just as long as OEM pads.
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PostSubject: Re: rear brake pads   rear brake pads I_icon_minitimeThu Dec 29, 2016 2:27 am

I've both over the years but prefer the sharper braking of sintered pads.
Yes that does mean replacing disks more often, but thats not a big job.
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