oil change erronious washer change

As far as I can tell when I do an oil change the only thing that needs replacing is
a o ring usually. So why does Honda always charge me for a crush washer when
there is none needed (the oil plug described in the bike manual has a spring, filter, and o ring, no
washer there.

Is there some other oil plug I don't know about???

Most manufacturers say change the oil rings, fit new gasket, only use this thing 3 times. I never change the "O" ring  when  changing the oil and did four oil changes on my last Silverwing with no problems. If it is oil tight with what you have now, it will most likely continue to be oil tight when put back. This is assuming you do the changing yourself.

There is no crush washer to be replaced, nor does the O-ring require replacement --unless they screwed it up. Yet another example of why you should learn to DIY. The Silverwing is easy to work on.

Ya know, the courteous thing to do would be to introduce yourself on the, ahem, Introduction section of our forum.

Tim

Hey winged warrior. First, welcome aboard this board from a fellow SWing rider an hour west of you.

Second, please take a moment and introduce yourself in the "Introductions" forum. Tell us a bit about yourself, your riding history, your SWing etc.

Regarding your question. I've never put a crush washer on my SWing. There was one scooter we owned that required one (it could have been our Reflex) but it sure isn't the SWing.

I perform my own oil changes (4 or 5 so far) and have yet to observe any leaks. Therefore, I have not replaced the O-ring. I do inspect all the bits when I perform an oil change and if anything looks worn, I would replace it.

I say if you're not getting a crush washer installed (and I don't believe you are or even need one), you shouldn't be paying for one.

hi Winged Warrior, welcome to the forum. As to your experience for being charged for a washer, which was not supplied; most workshop make a bit of extra money this way. Whether they service a car, bike or scooter, there is always a few dollars added on for " sundry workshop supplies, environmental charge" or any other description. I recently was charged for a electronic diagnosis not only the usual hourly rate, but also $ 46 for software.
That is why so many of us do it themselves; with the added bonus of having the knowledge that it has been done properly!

I have changed my oil 7 times so far without replacing the o-ring. No leaks so far. Will probably get one for the next change and be safe!!! As to the crush washer, the stock Honda oil filter works in several other models, including the Goldwing, and I have gotten the crush washers when buying filters from Honda. No problem as I can use them. But with other brands of filter no crush washer is included.

Your more likely ware out the oil plug socket then ware out the O ring . The mating surface of the plug and motor casing,has a tight fitting surface,and a bit of pipe dopp will seal any oil leaks ,in a emergency.

If they use a computer invoice system, just gets billed as part of service.

One thing about 'crush' washers. They are different than the aluminum sealing washer commonly used on various oil plugs. Crush washers properly called are the hollow copper washer which use to be used on spark plugs. The aluminum sealing washers don't 'crush'. They are just soft enough to make a oil tight seal between a crankcase and the plug. I often use them if the oil plug hasn't been over tightened. A light rub on a fine file or sandpaper will flatten and smooth them out nicely like new.

Honda oem washers have a flat side and a rounded side. Flat side faces drain plug, round toward pan.
Once tightened round side is flattened, it does compress after use both sides are flat. Just two different type washers.