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PostSubject: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 04, 2015 4:02 pm

I just read an article on the new Honda Neowing and it seems pretty impressive. It will run on both fuel through a four cylinder engine and electric motors. Just wondering if they will be marketed in the US and at what price.
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PostSubject: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 04, 2015 9:30 pm

It's only a concept at the moment and I'm not sure that I want the complication of the hybrid power.  Honda have already patented the three wheeler front suspension which I would think would be a good alternative to my trike.  The Piaggio MP3 seems to work well enough from what I can see but the engine is a bit too small for my liking !
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PostSubject: Price of Honda 3 wheeler hybrid vs Elio   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 17, 2017 2:22 am

So, I was wondering how Elio Motors can produce a vehicle, admittedly not a motorcycle OR a performance vehicle, but so close to being a bike that is weatherproof, heated, air conditioned, ABS, hybrid for $7,450!
Designed for commuting, but capable of the ton. Not neck snapping acceleration, but, my sWing isn’t a Hayabusa either.
So, the Question is how can Elio produce such a vehicle for under $7,500, and have 65,000 paid pre-orders, but our motorcycle manufacturers are stuck on producing overpriced products, with many based on “ancient” technology?

I don’t see it being an apples/oranges comparison, particularly when comparing the Elio to a CanAm, but more a question of why modern bikes are priced so outrageously, economies of scale be damned.
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PostSubject: Re: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 17, 2017 9:02 am

Tourezrick wrote:
So, I was wondering how Elio Motors can produce a vehicle, admittedly not a motorcycle OR a performance vehicle, but so close to being a bike that is weatherproof, heated, air conditioned, ABS, hybrid for $7,450!

They haven't produced a vehicle... I think many if not most states in the USA classify a 3 wheel vehicle as a motorcycle or "autocycle". I honestly don't think anyone (except for the Chinese perhaps) can produce a vehicle and sell it at that "suggested starting price" without losing $$ on it.


Tourezrick wrote:

Designed for commuting, but capable of the ton. Not neck snapping acceleration, but, my sWing isn’t a Hayabusa either.
So, the Question is how can Elio produce such a vehicle for under $7,500, and have 65,000 paid pre-orders, but our motorcycle manufacturers are stuck on producing overpriced products, with many based on “ancient” technology?

Same as above... they can't, they have not and they probably never  will... Have you not been following the whole Elio fiasco? They are about to run into some serious legal troubles concerning all this money they have been taking in, failing to secure the manufacturing facility and not actually getting anywhere near to beginning to build any production vehicles. They've been dicking around with "test vehicles" and keep pushing back production start up date. Many think (and rightfully so) that the whole thing is looking more and more like an elaborate scam. Many of the small individual "investors" are getting pissed off... The natives are getting restless if you know what I mean.


Tourezrick wrote:

I don’t see it being an apples/oranges comparison, particularly when comparing the Elio to a CanAm, but more a question of why modern bikes are priced so outrageously, economies of scale be damned.
It's called capitalism... people will pay what the market can bear. I think the Chinese are beginning to understand the concept of "quality of materials and workmanship" There are some things they have actually put more effort into with those concepts in mind and finding that they can get more  money for a better product.
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PostSubject: Re: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 17, 2017 1:58 pm

"So, I was wondering how Elio Motors can produce a vehicle, admittedly not a motorcycle OR a performance vehicle, but so close to being a bike that is weatherproof, heated, air conditioned, ABS, hybrid for $7,450!"

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
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PostSubject: Re: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 17, 2017 9:50 pm

Bash On! wrote:
"So, I was wondering how Elio Motors can produce a vehicle, admittedly not a motorcycle OR a performance vehicle, but so close to being a bike that is weatherproof, heated, air conditioned, ABS, hybrid for $7,450!"

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Though it seems like an unrealized dream, I would like to see it happen.

At 84 mpg, why do I need a hybrid? Bring on the competition.
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PostSubject: Re: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 18, 2017 1:09 am

...Wishing for something will not make it so.
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PostSubject: Re: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 18, 2017 2:26 am

Sidewinder Pilot wrote:
...Wishing for something will not make it so.

Duh?
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PostSubject: Re: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 18, 2017 9:36 am

FWIW Florida defines motorcycle as follows:

F.S. 320.01(27) "Motorcycle" means:

(27)…any motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, but excluding a tractor or a moped.

I had not realised the Elio Motors was still around. They have been promising their "fantastic"¹ vehicle for nearly (over?) eight years, and "real soon now" since 2012.

At 1500 lbs (with a driver) and 55 flywheel HP it promises to a be a real dog if and when they actually make one.

According to this article as of 12/31/2016 they had $123 million in liabilities and $101,317 in cash, and now claim 2018 as their "target year"...

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¹ - Three elderly women are seated on the porch at a home talking about their youth.

One says she attended the finest schools, married a successful business mogul and lived a life of luxury; the second say "That's wonderful!", the third "That's fantastic!"

The second woman tells of her being a debutante, marrying a Count, travelling the world and living in a luxury villa in the South of France. The first woman says "That's wonderful!", the third "That's fantastic!"

They turn to the third and ask about her youth. She says "We were dirt poor and I lived with my grandmother in a run-down shack, she taught me to say 'fantastic' instead of 'bullshìt'".

That Elio sure is fantastic...
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PostSubject: Re: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 19, 2017 6:44 am

cliffyk wrote:
FWIW Florida defines motorcycle as follows:

F.S. 320.01(27) "Motorcycle" means:

(27)…any motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, but excluding a tractor or a moped.

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Would a Silverwing with the Voyager trike kit (four tires in contact with the ground) not be considered as a motorcycle in Florida?
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PostSubject: Re: New Honda three wheeler   New Honda three wheeler I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 19, 2017 1:19 pm

Easyrider wrote:
cliffyk wrote:
FWIW Florida defines motorcycle as follows:

F.S. 320.01(27) "Motorcycle" means:

(27)…any motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for thevern use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, but excluding a tractor or a moped.

..

Would a Silverwing with the Voyager trike kit (four tires in contact with the ground) not be considered as a motorcycle in Florida?

Technically no, however as there is no vehicle inspection requirement in Florida you can just register it as a bike and no one would really care. I suppose insurance could be an issue in tye event of a crash?

I see a few of those on the road now and then...
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