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PostSubject: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 25, 2015 8:25 am

I did the search and read as thoroughly as I could. I have looked at the manual too, but did not get an answer. Manual says run the engine for 2-3 minutes, etc, etc. Then " support" the scooter on a level surface. I am baffled by this: why not the centerstand? and if the centerstand is ok to use, why not just say "put the bike on the centerstand " and be done with it.
So, if I were to follow the manual I would need some way to support the scooter in an upright manner. That requires another person or some contraption under the sidestand to hold the scooter as upright as possible.
I have a VT 1100 Tourer Shadow that says the same thing for checking the oil. However, the dipstick is more accessible and I can get at it from the seat. The scooter dipstick is just about out of reach with me sitting on the seat.
Question: Is it okay to use the centerstand ?
Thanks guys.
Jay.
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PostSubject: Re: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 25, 2015 8:57 am

Use the centre stand,it's only logical. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 25, 2015 9:55 am

In theory the oil on most bikes should be checked while "held" level to get a perfect reading. However that theory is "splitting hairs", the center stand as Tinman says is fine.
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PostSubject: Re: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 25, 2015 10:21 am

Like Hotwings says, it is "splitting hairs" but if you measure the gap between the rear tyre and the ground and halve it. find a bit of timber that is near that measurement, place it under the front wheel the scoot should be near to level.
Hint 1: You can also do this to stop the scoot "rolling" of the centre stand anytime. (I learnt this from using the hair trigger ctr stand on the MuZ)
Hint 2: I used some scrap Sq section ALUMINIUM cut a vee in one end and bolted angle ALUMINIUM angle to it for feet. This is placed on the cross member just behind the radiator and will hold it level even when the wheels are off. Great for working on the front end. If you make one use the measurement from the ground to the crossmember to determine required height of the ALUMINIUM stand.
Other times I use a trolly jack, it's quicker. band chickendance
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PostSubject: Re: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 25, 2015 11:47 am

The owner's manual says:

1. Park your scooter on its center stand on a firm, level surface.


  Hope this helps.   (FYI)   There are On-line owners manuals in the "Pictorials" maintenance section if needed.


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PostSubject: Re: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 25, 2015 11:50 am

tinman wrote:
Use the centre stand,it's only logical. Smile

The manual says use the "center" stand. And stop using logic, you'll only cause trouble. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 25, 2015 11:52 am

Hi Yo wrote:
  The owner's manual says:

1. Park your scooter on its center stand on a firm, level surface.


  Hope this helps.   (FYI)   There are On-line owners manuals in the "Pictorials" maintenance section if needed.


Oops, I quoted myself when I only meant to edit. Another senior moment!!!
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PostSubject: Re: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 25, 2015 12:08 pm

KurtPerthWA wrote:
<>Hint 2: I used some scrap Sq section ALUMINIUM cut a vee in one end and bolted angle ALUMINIUM angle to it for feet. This is placed on the cross member just behind the radiator and will hold it level even when the wheels are off. Great for working on the front end. If you make one use the measurement from the ground to the crossmember to determine required height of the ALUMINIUM stand. <>

Did you fabricate this as a DIY wheel stand?

Is the aluminum angle bolted at a right angle to the square piece  forming an "L", or bolted to the upright square section forming an upside down "T"?

Just one verticle square section to support the bike while the front end is off the ground, or two?

Tim
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PostSubject: Re: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 26, 2015 12:11 am

Yes, Yes!! We need diagrams, schematics with exact measurements and material specifications, and stress analysis and risk assessments. Probably should get a focus group together on this as well while we're at it... Never can be too careful you understand.

Meh... If not , we'll figger it out n' just wing it.
My vote goes for the upside down "T" with upside down "TT" as 2nd choice.
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PostSubject: Re: oil check: centerstand or not ?   oil check: centerstand or not ? I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 26, 2015 8:48 am

This type of problem only occurs to riders who are short, not too strong and a bit compromised by their health. Who also want things done by the book ( manual) but are hampered by ambiguous language and who therefore rely on the collective wisdom of the group.
I take from this that the "split " difference in attitude from the rear to the front does not materially affect the oil level reading, as long as the bike is on a level surface.
I thank you all, gentlemen and the women in the group.
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