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PostSubject: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 07, 2014 7:51 pm

Hey all. I know some of you are very opinionated about using certain wear products other than OEM, and especially the CVT belt. There is a brand of replacement belts that came out recently called Erlandson that claims to meet or exceed factory specs, in comparison to the knock-offs. I did a keyword search on this site for Erlandson with no result, so I assume that this product isn't known about yet. I see the OEM belt is around $110-$125 at online sellers.

I bought one for my Reflex but haven't installed it yet. It was about 3/4 of the price of OEM at the lowest-priced seller.
Here is a link to one site for the Silver Wing belt- I don't know if this is the manufacturer, distributor or vendor.
http://www.erlandsontechnology.com/Scooter_Belt_for_Honda_p/dbhomct.htm
$99.95
Here is the same product on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Erlandson-Technology-Scooter-Kevlar-DBHOMCT/dp/B00DX8AVP0
$76.75

BTW please don't shoot the messenger ;-)

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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 07, 2014 8:18 pm

I used a Mitshubishi (sp) kevlar belt once and I had not problem with it. But other than experimenting with that I stayed with the OEM belt. I just liked to try other products just to see how they worked and then I would post about them.
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 07, 2014 9:50 pm

$99.95 is not a substantial price difference between Partzilla's $110.95 price for a, proven good, OEM belt. IIRC Kevlar belts have had a dismal longevity reputation in Europe.

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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 4:35 am

I'm surprised that Gates belts are not available in the USA, they are I'm sure an American company, they are available in the UK so if any want to ask around at dealers the part number is deffo ... 9802-41804
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 8:09 am

Based on now over 300,000 miles with drive belt scooters----buy from and support your local dealer....you may need him sometime.

With both SilverWing and Suzuki Burgman 400 I change at 20,000 miles---however on older scooters and old belts----I would change at the Honda recommended interval. Walking Sucks.

Drive belts can become expensive----I always carry spare belt, again walking sucks and dealers probably will not have belt in stock----breakdowns on tour can be very expensive.

Drive belt breakage= for me once in these 300,000 miles----had spare, Helix easy roadside change. Happened just after coming off hard day in VA and WV----just would not go forward. Belt shred.


Belt to me is safety item-----give gas trying to get out of way---and nothing happens....when some idiot is trying to run you down. Result could hurt. OEM may be cheapest in long run
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 10:10 am

This 'Kevlar' belt business keeps coming up; by all accounts, all belts have Kevlar in. The non-OEM companies use 'Kevlar' as a selling-point, pure and simple.
Twelve years of frequenting maxiscooter forums has convinced me that in value-for-money terms, OEM belts are best.
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 10:42 am

On the subject of drive belts, i have changed belts twice, on my Wing (each time using the Gates belt) and have had no problems. My son in law rides a 650 Burgman and the belt is supposed to last the lifetime of the machine. If Burgman (or their supplier) can produce such a belt i wonder why Honda cannot.Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 11:55 am

Old Limey wrote:
On the subject of drive belts, i have changed belts twice, on my Wing (each time using the Gates belt) and have had no problems. My son in law rides a 650 Burgman and the belt is supposed to last the lifetime of the machine. If Burgman (or their supplier)  can produce such a belt i wonder why Honda cannot.Smile  

The Burgy belt doesnt work anywhere near a hard as SW belt. The Burgy belt only operates one pulley while the clutch and gear train take the stress and drive the rear wheel. The SW belt is the transmission. Not only does it drive the rear pulley but it also takes all the stress and load of the variator and driven pulley expansion & contraction. In the SW all of the stress is handled by the belt, and as such the belt is the weak link in the drive chain.

Dunno if this makes any sense, but it's the best explanation I can offer.

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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 12:07 pm

It makes sense to me . Many thanks for the explanation Cosmic Jumper. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 12:07 pm

Hello again Old Lancastrian, you do know that unlike the Silver Wing and it's conventional 'rubber band' belt, the 650 Burgman has a Dry Hybrid Composite Belt. I've just counted and it consists of 204 pieces of H shaped high-strength aluminium block embedded with a pair of heat-resistant rubber tension members, and covered in resin. In theory it should last the life of the Burgman. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 1:50 pm

Hello Meldrew! Delighted to see you back. Very interesting this belt business. Iam not too good just now, came off the Silverwing on Wednesday, after a pleasant day in Southport. I recon about £600 pounds worth of damage to the bike, and i've got a broken wrist.Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 5:42 pm

Oh bugger, I hope it heals enough not to spoil your festive plans bud
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 6:39 pm

Yes, I was sorry to hear about Old Limey's mishap and I hope his wrist mends well and doesn't give him any problems in future. My left wrist is a bit crooked from a compound fracture I suffered in the 80’s.

If you're reading this mate, I bet you're currently annoyed and p***** off that this happened to you with all your years of riding experience, and hopefully the wrist you broke isn't the one you favour for bodily functions etc. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 08, 2014 7:07 pm

Old Limey,

I hope your wrist heals and your SWing will be ok.
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 3:39 am

Old Limey, hope you get the use of your wrist back to normal soon.
Meldrew, welcome back, your droll humour will be appreciated again.
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 7:09 am

Hi Kurt, I'm hoping my droll humour can cope after Christmas when three of Mrs Meldrew's Aussie relations come and stay with us for a few days. They're from Perth WA too, they're flying to the UK Business Class yet seem to be avoiding staying in hotels like the plague.

I've never met them but Mrs M's Aussie auntie also from Perth stayed with us in the Summer. I bet she's told everyone we're posh here in York because our house doesn't have a corrogated tin roof, now they all want to come!  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 7:41 am

Meldrew wrote:

I bet she's told everyone we're posh here in York because our house doesn't have a corrogated tin roof, now they all want to come!  Smile
Posh?? What are they gonna think when they realise you haven't got a dunny in the back yard!! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 8:05 am

I've thought about that, I've bought a couple of plastic Funnel Web spiders off eBay to hang in the downstairs cloakroom "dunny", I'll take the lightbulb out, turn the radiator up full blast, and discreetly hide a cloth dampened with Jeyes Fluid for that authentic scent. If that doesn't make them homesick nothing will. We've got one of these water saving Eco dunnys so I can't risk blocking it with the torn up squares of newspaper they're used to. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 10:42 am

I trust you will be doing them a christmad dinner on the barby wearing your brightest pair of budgie smugglers bud :lol!:
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 11:34 am

Thankyou for your good wishes. I broke my left wrist, the same one i broke 30yrs ago, Iam feeling sorry for myself, as with all accidents, in hind sight, it could have been avoided. Damage to my bike, headlight broken, left upper panel and lower panel,and front mudguard all need replacing. As it is i cannot claim on insurance so expensive as well as painful. No fool like an old fool EH! Smile
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PostSubject: New belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 2:17 pm

Sorry to hear the news Old Limey, I hope that your wrist heals OK, the scooter is replaceable unlike ourselves !!  Your dignity will no doubt follow.
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 4:44 pm

Well, here we are again - back off topic.

That didn't take long. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 5:05 pm

Belt....Belt....BELT       OK, back on topic.   Laughing But the side road was interesting. Just like riding. small moped small moped
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 09, 2014 5:46 pm

MikeO wrote:
Well, here we are again - back off topic.

That didn't take long. Wink

But, but.... What if the belt broke and he broke his wrist when he fell off his bike on the side of the road? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 10, 2014 12:06 pm

Sorry about that Mike O. I was pleased to see Meldrew back,and my comments were made for him, forgetting that other people might be interested in my situation(that's why i didn't mention it as a topic). Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 10, 2014 12:10 pm

I'm sorry you've had an accident and are injured but relieved it's not worse.
I wish you a speedy recovery, of course. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Belt on the block   New Belt on the block I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 10, 2014 12:26 pm

Old Limey wrote:
Sorry about that Mike O. I was pleased to see Meldrew back,and my comments were made for him, forgetting that other people might be interested in my situation(that's why i didn't mention it as a topic). Smile

You should put your other forum hat on and tell the Muppets about your mishap, you're well known on there. Can you still peel an orange in your pocket with your good hand! Smile
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