acceleration feels different these days.

All of a sudden when I hit the acceleration there's a much bigger gap in between it actually catching the point of actuation. I can feel the difference as before my bike used to take off at about 2,000 RPM sharp but now it seems to be pulling off at about 2300 RPMs and is responsiveness doesn't feel the same anymore. So yesterday I stripped down the entire clutch assembly and did inspection but didn't find anything alarming I can't quite understand why it would be doing this. The motor is very healthy it spins up just fine. The belt is as tight as it needs to be and I have everything torqued to specification But it's just not as responsive. Also the RPMs versus the MPH doesn't seem to feel the same either, feels like it's taking more RPMs to get a higher speed than what I used to. The only things I couldn't probably suspect is either the rollers are getting worn out or something is up with the air box. (Haven't checked the air box yet)

Ever think it is just an old bike?

Could be, as you question, worn/flat spot on the rollers. If you are going to replace the original variator rollers you might consider going to 26gm Dr Pulley sliding weights or 26gm Tech Pulley weights.

Hi XDM.
If you have injection, try cleaning the Lambda sensor on the exhaust by removing, and giving it a good spray with brake cleaner. Made a difference to my low rpms(@20kMls)
Often overlooked sensor, no it's not a fit and forget item!

Just a thought as your going to lengths to check the air box .....

Hope this helps.

Be safe, be seen and heard!

JohnyC wrote:

Hi XDM.
If you have injection, try cleaning the Lambda sensor on the exhaust by removing, and giving it a good spray with brake cleaner. Made a difference to my low rpms(@20kMls)
Often overlooked sensor, no it's not a fit and forget item!

Just a thought as your going to lengths to check the air box .....

Hope this helps.

Be safe, be seen and heard!

You know, I have NEVER checked that o2  sensor never l before. I will be checking and cleaning that when I check the air box.

Cosmic_Jumper wrote:

Could be, as you question, worn/flat spot on the rollers. If you are going to replace the original variator rollers you might consider going to 26gm Dr Pulley sliding weights or 26gm Tech Pulley weights.

Aftermarket rollers have always been a thought in the back of my mind I just need to research and figure out which ones are right for me. I heard some effect speed some effect acceleration. Looks interesting.

I have found that new plugs and air filter make a difference to the performance of my SW. I have tried Polini 26g rollers and Dr Pulley 26g sliders over the years and experienced problems with acceleration and engine over-speeding. The V light came on from time to time so I reverted back to OEM 28g rollers.

No problems since then.

So I did everything besides the rollers so.
Changed the LONG overdue spark plugs with some iridium, Curved l cleaned the air box. I don't think I have a o2 sensor on my model bike (2005) so all that remains is the CVT.

I switched to iridium plugs at 8K and it has been great. 26K now and the plugs are fine. I did change my rollers for 28g sliders (DR Pulley) as I wanted to keep the powerband close to stock. The sliders are nice but I saw no real difference between them and Honda rollers except for double the price. YMMV, but I will go back to rollers when a change is necessary. Good luck.

GHM-PM wrote:

I switched to iridium plugs at 8K and it has been great. 26K now and the plugs are fine. I did change my rollers for 28g sliders (DR Pulley) as I wanted to keep the powerband close to stock. The sliders are nice but I saw no real difference between them and Honda rollers except for double the price. YMMV, but I will go back to rollers when a change is necessary. Good luck.

I have always been interested in playing around with the performance on this bike. Example reducing the amount of throttle needed to initially get moving. I'll have to do some deep research to figure out what kind of rollers I want in order to be comfortable.

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GHM-PM wrote:

I'll have to do some deep research to figure out what kind of rollers I want in order to be comfortable.

As noted, 26-gram Dr. Pulley sliding weights are popular for better acceleration in take off and mid-range (OEM rollers are 28-gram).

Recently, I tried 19-gram Dr. Pulley sliding weights on my '04 Silver Wing for a week. Instant rocketship. During that week, I literally looked at the dashboard a few times to verify I was on a Silver Wing. I couldn't believe it was the same bike.

It helped that I have a Malossi Wild Lion exhaust, which provides an exciting soundtrack. Downside: the engine revs 500 rpm's higher through the power band and gas mileage goes straight to hell. I took them off the bike and installed sensible Dr. Pulley 28-gram sliding weights. Better acceleration than OEM rollers but nothing like the 19-gram sliders. I tucked those in a drawer for "maybe someday, if I'm feeling rambunctious ...."

Hi "XDM"

XDM:copyright: wrote:

I'll have to do some deep research to figure out what kind of rollers I want in order to be comfortable.

Having tried every currently available "strapadicktome" the only single mod that did instantly transform my Swing, and the cheapest btw, was to replace the driven clutch contra spring for a Malossi white spring.(read my post)
Just search Malossi White for the pictures of how too.
Then comes the icing on the cake using 27g Dr.Pulley sliders for the increased top end speed and better fuel consumption of freeways and open roads compared to stock figures.
Ok I also have other mods but there fine tuning and not needed unless your anal like me. lol

Hope this helps.

Be safe, be seen!

I enjoy reading about the experimentation for performance on the Silver Wing, but question the logic. Personally I find the machine was designed well for MY use. To make a 120 HP firebreathing monster out of one is funny since then the suspension, tires, wheels and forks would need to be replaced. I am not trying to belittle anyone just trying to understand why the initial purchase wasn't a sport bike? (Yamaha R6 or the like). Excuse me while I go put on my fire retardant underwear!!!

GHM-PM wrote:

To make a 120 HP firebreathing monster out of one is funny since then the suspension, tires, wheels and forks would need to be replaced

I get what you're saying. During my wild week with 19-gram Dr. Pulley sliding weights, I had a few anxious moments where I felt, "Wow, I just reached the limits of what this bike is engineered for, and I got there real fast. I need to back off."

Why try it at all? Why not a sport bike? Two reasons. One is pure fun. I've owned six Wings and it was a blast to ride one that was a little rocket. Second reason is I've never been a sport bike type. Zero interest in leaning forward, legs down. That looks about as comfortable as ape hanger handlebars. I'm a cruiser. Always have been. Adding speed to the Wing was my attempt to see if you can have the best of both worlds, the thrill of a serious motorcycle and the comforts of a Silver Wing. And for the most part, it worked.

Delray wrote:

Why try it at all? Why not a sport bike? Two reasons. One is pure fun. I've owned six Wings and it was a blast to ride one that was a little rocket. Second reason is I've never been a sport bike type. Zero interest in leaning forward, legs down. That looks about as comfortable as ape hanger handlebars. I'm a cruiser. Always have been. Adding speed to the Wing was my attempt to see if you can have the best of both worlds, the thrill of a serious motorcycle and the comforts of a Silver Wing. And for the most part, it worked.

I agree, I have ridden sport bikes and I am way too old for that crap! My son had a Ninja a few years ago and wow did that thing MOVE. So lets go farther back how about a Kawasaki H-2 750 3 cylinder monster. They didn't call it the "Widow maker" for nothing!
Talk about too much HP for suspension...

JohnyC wrote:

Hi "XDM"

XDM:copyright: wrote:

I'll have to do some deep research to figure out what kind of rollers I want in order to be comfortable.

Having tried every currently available "strapadicktome" the only single mod that did instantly transform my Swing, and the cheapest btw, was to replace the driven clutch contra spring for a Malossi white spring.(read my post)
Just search Malossi White for the pictures of how too.
Then comes the icing on the cake using 27g Dr.Pulley sliders for the increased top end speed and better fuel consumption of freeways and open roads compared to stock figures.
Ok I also have other mods but there fine tuning and not needed unless your anal like me. lol

Hope this helps.

Be safe, be seen!

Thanks for that bit of information. I'll definitely look into that.

GHM-PM wrote:

I enjoy reading about the experimentation for performance on the Silver Wing, but question the logic. Personally I find the machine was designed well for MY use. To make a 120 HP firebreathing monster out of one is funny since then the suspension, tires, wheels and forks would need to be replaced. I am not trying to belittle anyone just trying to understand why the initial purchase wasn't a sport bike? (Yamaha R6 or the like). Excuse me while I go put on my fire retardant underwear!!!  

I originally brought the swing because at first I was too lazy to learn how to manual shift. As I got better with bikes other people in my crew let me try their motorcycles which were manual shifts which I eventually kind of got the hang of and I love the speed but my problem is those sports bikes are too uncomfortable for long sit-downs. (My back is no good) the swing is very comfortable and appropriate for long rides as I've taken it across two states before. So I kind of want the perfect Goldilocks scenario where my current comfy scooter can be as fast as a decent motorcycle. And plus nothing beats the expression of when they see my scooter move faster than most of their bikes in my crew

I just wanted to add.

XDM:copyright: wrote:

GHM-PM wrote:

To make a 120 HP firebreathing monster out of one is funny since then the suspension, tires, wheels and forks would need to be replaced. :

Having fitted Hyperpro springs to the front and YSS shocks to the back, running on Michelin City Grip 2 tyres, all my big bike friends are amazed that I can undertake them in a corner.
They have also tried my Swing before and after the mods they are well impressed, If not a little staggered by It.
I guess at the end of the day It's down to the personal skills of the rider, and the confidence the bike gives the rider.

This has not been posted to start a bun fight or to degrade/belittle any ones skills, it's just my personal experiences in the real world with MY Swing.

Personally I am over the moon with the transformation and it has given some of my older friends food for thought!

My insurance company was happy with the mods, ref. the suspension upgrades and uprated discs and pads because the Swing is out of production so they know parts for us have to be after market.

Hope this helps.

Be safe, be seen!