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PostSubject: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 21, 2020 3:10 pm

Two weeks ago I purchased my fourth Silverwing in 13 years ; a 2004 Forced Silver with 10,300 miles on the odo. The title is listed as Restored/Salvage due to cracked lower front fairing to which I mended to the best of my ability. The original front Hoop was replaced with a Shinko SR567 while the back has a new Michelin City Grip making the pair the same as my previous 2004 Swing. The scoot runs and drives great with this tire combination. Next will be the original belt replacement after a few thousand miles.
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 21, 2020 6:10 pm

Welcome back. And back. And back. And back.
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 21, 2020 7:56 pm

After having sold my 2006 Silverwing 600ABS about a year ago, I'm reconsidering
that decision. But dang, I really need to unload/divest  some of my Honda Reflex
assets first. (and a currently non-running Big Ruckus too)

The S-wing was good for those long distance rides where a lot of it was running the
freeway slab. I still want to do long distance rides, but now at a more leisurely pace
off expressway; mostly... while pulling a micro light camper even smaller and lighter
than the Kompact Kamp Mini Mate camper which weighs in at 260 lbs. I'm thinking
(91 kilos) 200 lbs  or less. (loaded) Probably have to build it myself. It may end up
just being a cargo trailer, but still... very light.

I would like it to have ABS like my 2006 SW had, but a 2008 or later model. Yes, but
of course it would get Dark Side treatment with a 165/65R13 passenger vehicle (car)
tire.
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 22, 2020 12:09 am

Welcome back as has been said. I’m still trying to learn about my first Silverwing w/o ABS but I can relate to your having bought your fourth. They’re great machines at what they do. The people on this site are the best and help is only a click away in the search box.
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 22, 2020 8:26 am

My take on pulling trailer with SilverWing=not good idea, find safe hitch, can drive line take the strain it was not designed for? And then car tire= in my book, want to get killed---MC and are rims are different.

My SilverWing experience=over 90,000 miles on two new ones, stock. My trailer experience with other bikes about 100,000 miles====my take not really good idea, I had Kompack Kamp-----If you have to go with trailer, and they are handy, try Unigo with proper hitch.... Remembering in US there are no safety rules for add ons!
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 22, 2020 10:17 am

Thanks Tim, Pete,it's good to be back again,again and again . As for pulling a trailer I would have to agree with John Grinsel -not a good idea. I'm sure if you were to write Honda they would most likely steer you to a large motorcycle with much stronger frame and engine.
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 22, 2020 1:10 pm

Re trailers: I’ve seen photos of Bandito2’s scooter trailer. It seems well designed and very well constructed. Actually something to envy.


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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 22, 2020 3:38 pm

I think only way to go with bike trailers is one wheel! Think of the thrill of dropping a wheel on 2 wheel trailer off the side of the pavement. 2 wheel trailer might be ok on the 30kph mopeds the Germans use to get to their Gardens.
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 23, 2020 6:07 am

John Grinsel, when you towed a trailor how close to the pavement did you drive to drop a wheel, pretty close i suggest.
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 23, 2020 6:51 am

Narrow country roads with no shoulder.
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 26, 2020 9:39 pm

Oh yeah... that trailer is way over built and heavier than it needs to be.

Nice thing about single wheel trailers is that they track ever so slightly
to the outside of the turn. What this means in practical terms is that the
trailer wheel essentially follows the track of the bike's rear wheel.  In a
hard right turn, say at an intersection, if the rear wheel clears the curb,
then so will the trailer wheel; same thing going to the left. No need to
widen your turn to clear a curb or other obstacle like you would with a
dual track trailer.

John G: Just curious how you figure the driveline takes any more of a
strain with a trailer than it does carrying that kind of weight up on the
pillion position. The front wheel/tire and rear wheel/tire of the bike still
have to stop/slow the same amount of mass momentum down through
the axles whether it is in a trailer or up on the pillion. Ditto for forward
acceleration forces at the rear wheel.  

Frames are certainly robust enough to pull the weight. The issue really
is about the problems that can come from carrying TOO MUCH weight
for safe stopping behaviors of the bike.

Most, perhaps essentially all small and light trailers don't have brakes on
the trailer wheels to help with prevention of jack-knifing. So with hard
braking that may cause the rear wheel to skid, one could find the bike and
trailer folded together in less than a heartbeat.

About the car tire: Really? After all these years and all the miles with no
issues or disasters because of rim differences? It is such an old worn out
argument with virtually no credibility in it with nothing to point to as example
of the outcome of the threat.
Like the boogeyman under the bed... it is just irrational fear over something
that does not exist.
A perceived threat without merit.
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PostSubject: Re: fourth Silverwing   fourth Silverwing I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 27, 2020 8:19 am


Check SAE paper on car vs motorcycle rims. Ever note how much air pressure needs to be used to get car tire bead to seat on mc rim? We have no safety rules for bikes in US to keep rider from killing himself. And then what about handling of bike with car tire? If so great road racers would be rushing to car tires!
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