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steve_h80
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PostSubject: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2020 2:55 am

I keep hearing the rumours, and now the teaser video is doing the rounds.
Is it going to be a worthwhile successor to the SW or just a new dress for the Integra?
I'm hoping, but expecting to be disappointed.
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2020 10:00 am

The teaser does show what looks like the generator cover of the Integra. It could be an upgrade with the fuel tank at the front and a smaller rear wheel giving extra storage as the X adv. To call this a Forza would be disappointing as the existing frame will never allow a real step-through. New frame, new engine, smaller wheels allowing good underseat space, then call it the Forza 750. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2020 4:14 pm

For others who have not seen the video, below is the link I found.

New Honda Forza 750 - Reveal Oct 14, 2020
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2020 4:40 pm

Think the chain drive would put many off, all that adjusting and lubricating, that’s the the thing with maxi scooters not of that required.
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2020 5:14 pm

To me, after 65 years of riding, open chain SUCKS!!
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2020 5:33 pm

On our side of the Pond, chain drive originally put a lot of maxi riders off simply because as novice riders they opted for 'Auto Only' licences and until few years ago were confined to riding belt driven maxi scooters, or one of half a dozen usually expensive semi-automatic motorcycles like the now discontinued Aprilia Mana 850.

Then Honda brought out it's NC range of motorcycles with DCT transmission, and finally the Auto Licence holders could finally ride motorcycles. The fact that they're chain driven hasn't seem to put them off buying them, and modern motorcycle chain maintenance isn't the dirty messy task they thought it was.

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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 2:07 am

john grinsel wrote:
To me, after 65 years of riding, open chain SUCKS!!

Well you've mentioned plenty of time walking SUCKS too John, so you can never please all of the people, all of the time. 😷
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 3:19 am

I've never had a problem with chain drives, there is a little maintenance required but with a Scottoiler or similar fitted that just means topping up the reservoir every so often.
Likewise DCT can create problems in cars (mostly down to inept drivers) but Honda's bike system seems reliable, so far at least.
It's more the design and frame architecture I'm concerned about. Honda have stepped away from the shared components philosophy with the adv scooter so there is hope they will do that for the Forza too.
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 4:01 am

The X adv frame is the same as the rest of the NC range I think, hence no real step-through, the only difference is the rear sub-frame. 👍
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 4:11 am

I only remember chain drive being messy on Japanese bikes in the Seventies, but as peeling chrome, rust, and furred alloy was normal after a typical winter, chain drive seemed a minor irritation. Boiling chains in pans of chain lube, or using those useless aerosol chain lube back then that flung off and covered the back wheel in black gunge were all part of the game.

Thankfully I got into MZ's with their enclosed chain cases, and maintenance was reduced to occasionally rubbing grease along the length of the chain with the drive sprocket cover off, and checking and adjusting chain tension.

As you say the Scottoiler sorted most chain lube problems out many years ago.

I've gone all nostalgic now and started thinking about Derriboots. Sad Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 4:35 am

Meldrew wrote:
I've gone all nostalgic now and started thinking about Derriboots. Sad   Smile

Noooooo, the youngsters will think it's a new trend Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 5:48 am

Meldrew wrote:
john grinsel wrote:
To me, after 65 years of riding, open chain SUCKS!!

Well you've mentioned plenty of times walking SUCKS too John, so you can never please all of the people, all of the time. 😷
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 7:23 am

Meldrew wrote:
Thankfully I got into MZ's with their enclosed chain cases
I've just replaced the "Gummihosen" on my 1978 TS250/1 barnfind and the chain underneath was like new.
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 10:35 am

Harley Big Twin had rear chain oilers for years---worked wheel---also oiled white wall rear tires.
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 12:33 pm

john grinsel wrote:
Harley Big Twin had rear chain oilers for years---worked wheel---also oiled white wall rear tires.

And we just thought it was a leaky casing...
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PostSubject: Re: New Forza 750   New Forza 750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2020 4:54 pm

No, they had other leaks,too.
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