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PostSubject: Non ABS Brake system help   Non ABS Brake system help I_icon_minitimeTue 05 May 2020, 03:06

Can someone explain how non abs brake system rear caliper is connected. I see the right lever controls the front brake (I believe 2 pistons)  and has a cable that runs from the master cylinder to the front caliper. Also see the left lever controls both front and back calipers and has a cable that goes from the master cylinder to the front caliper to control the other piston up front. Assuming this is correct My question is what is the linkage and control for the back caliper. I found this diagram but it is confusing to me. Can someone that better understands the brake line routing control explain it to me? How does pulling left lever initiate rear caliper braking on non ABS model?  scratch

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I found this link to a 2004 Honda Silver Wing FSC600D REAR BRAKE PIPE but it added to my confusion.
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PostSubject: Re: Non ABS Brake system help   Non ABS Brake system help I_icon_minitimeTue 05 May 2020, 04:29

The front caliper has 3 pistons. Two large, one small. The left brake activates the small front caliper piston and the rear caliper piston.

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PostSubject: Re: Non ABS Brake system help   Non ABS Brake system help I_icon_minitimeTue 05 May 2020, 05:15

Great explanation of the system.
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PostSubject: Re: Non ABS Brake system help   Non ABS Brake system help I_icon_minitimeTue 05 May 2020, 05:47

yes thanks cosmic but that is info I already knew.
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PostSubject: Re: Non ABS Brake system help   Non ABS Brake system help I_icon_minitimeTue 05 May 2020, 06:30

Salient points, LHS brake lever pushes fluid into the delay valve, the delay valve supplies 60% braking effort to front & 40% effort to the rear.
What Honda call the delay valve is better discribed as a pressure differential valve.
The delay valve is item #13 on your drawing.
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PostSubject: Re: Non ABS Brake system help   Non ABS Brake system help I_icon_minitimeTue 05 May 2020, 06:44

Thanks The Bern thumbs up
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PostSubject: Re: Non ABS Brake system help   Non ABS Brake system help I_icon_minitimeTue 05 May 2020, 12:47

I assume the delay valve is similar to that used on the VFR800. In that bike, the delay valve causes the brake force applied to the front caliper to lag behind the rear caliper; the idea is that this minimises the sudden weight transfer/fork dive that you would otherwise get if the front brake engaged at the same time as the rear.
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PostSubject: Re: Non ABS Brake system help   Non ABS Brake system help I_icon_minitimeWed 06 May 2020, 00:06

Terry Smith wrote:
I assume the delay valve is similar to that used on the VFR800. In that bike, the delay valve causes the brake force applied to the front caliper to lag behind the rear caliper; the idea is that this minimises the sudden weight transfer/fork dive that you would otherwise get if the front brake engaged at the same time as the rear.

The idea as far as I'm aware is that you optimise the braking effort of what would 'normally' be the rear brake only, by applying front & rear brake simultainiously (but at different pressures) you minimise the risk of the rear wheel locking up & putting the machine into a slide.

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PostSubject: Re: Non ABS Brake system help   Non ABS Brake system help I_icon_minitimeWed 06 May 2020, 00:13

Ejscoot wrote:
I found this diagram but it is confusing to me. Can someone that better understands the brake line routing control explain it to me?

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To clarify a little more, the right hand end of item #8 connects to the left hand end of item #9, item #9 is the flexible pipe at the front of the swinging arm.
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