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PostSubject: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeTue Mar 05, 2019 3:31 pm

Where is the driven face retaining nut in the parts catalogue?

My catalogue shows the drive shaft but not the retaining nut? Can't find it anywhere.

Any ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeTue Mar 05, 2019 4:36 pm

Item # 15


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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 06, 2019 6:40 am

Thank you Cosmic Jumper. The reason I had discounted that one is because that nut on my SW is 22mm. Also, that same nut shows as Item#16 on my catalogue and shows at 16mm.

I'm confused. However, I do believe that my mystery is solved. That has to be it.....
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 06, 2019 6:50 am

It's a 16mm thread, 22mm wrench size. 

All the nut/bolt info in the parts list show the thread size, not the wrench size. HTH

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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 06, 2019 8:16 am

That helps a lot Tim. I might finally get my head around this stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 2:03 am

You have a head start on us, metric sizes are normal to you! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 12:52 pm

Well, you might think so.

We measure fuel consumption in 'miles per gallon' and buy petrol in 'litres'.

We measure socket drives in 1/8, 3/8 and 1/2 'inch' drives but measure socket sizes in 'mm'.

We buy beer in cans in 'ml' but get served 'pints' in pubs.

Is it any wonder we are a screwed up nation?
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 1:51 pm

Did you finally get rid of Wentworth sizes? Seems I remember those sized bolts on my '57 MGA.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 2:32 pm

I don't know whether they've gone.....Harley in the UK still use imperial sizes, (so I gather from my mate who rides a Sportster).

The 57 MGA being a car, I couldn't possibly comment!
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 2:44 pm

I believe that Wentworth sized tools were fairly common in Britain at one time, I know my MG and a friend's Triumph TR3 had Wentworth which were close enough to use US SAE fractional inch standard tools. For anyone wants to know about the subject see the link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 3:13 pm

It's an interesting point. Maybe we should google it?. I remember hearing about Wentworth sizes in the 70's and 80's but I've never had to use them. I imagine that vintage car enthusiasts still use them.

Should we setup a specialist subject within the forum to deal with this stuff? I've just bought a 'vernier caliper' and a 'thread gauge'.

I love nuts and bolts...

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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 3:31 pm

I've just read the link. This is a science! One worth getting to know Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 4:56 pm

Wentworth! That was a fictional prison in an Aussie TV soap. It's Whitworth or BSW, British Standard Whitworth.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 5:56 pm

What Meldrew (hi bud) said, let's remember that the B.S.W thread form was also used in;

B.S.F ........ British Standard Fine

&

B.A ........ British Association

........ diameters & pitches, with spanners marked accordingly.


Then there's the S.A.E .... Society of Automotive Engineers system, which uses the Across Flats dimension of the bolt/nut for spanner sizes for use on ;

U.N.C ....... Unified National Coarse

&

U.N.F ....... Unified National Fine

..... thread forms, the larger sizes of each form are fractional & smaller are numbered


With the Metric thread system,  any size hex' head can be applied to any bolt size, also to 'muddy the waters' a bit more, there are two thread standards, Metric Coarse & metric Fine, then there are the 'Non Preferred' pitches.

Gotta lurve a bit of engineering

Joseph Whitworth did for standardising in the UK engineering industy, what Henry Ford did in the USA
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 08, 2019 7:09 pm

Mea Culpa! My memory about my MGA's tool set has somewhat faded, it being more than half a century  since I last used those tools. Whitworth it was of course.

A couple other things I remember from that quintessentially British motorcar equipped with such 'interesting' devices as Lucas Electric aka 'Prince of Darkness' electrical devices. Lucas was so well though of that Morris Garage (the builder of the MG) provided a crank to start the engine on the occasions when  Mr. Lucas' products such as the Lucas electric starter failed.  Not to forget those wonderful SU sidedraft carburetors which were guaranteed to be out of sync within two hours of having been adjusted. Ah yes... some days I was able to actually operate the car without working on it prior to departing in it.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda part not available?   Honda part not available? I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 09, 2019 5:14 am

exavid wrote:
 Not to forget those wonderful SU sidedraft carburetors which were guaranteed to be out of sync within two hours of having been adjusted.

Skinner-Union, awful things they were, converting to Stromberg's was the preferred option IIRC.
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