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PostSubject: silverwing panniers    Mon 20 Jul 2015, 16:11

Hi guys just fitted a set of aprilia scarabeo panniers to my silverwing had them colour matched look great http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USED-GENUINE-APRILIA-SCARABEO-125-150-200-2001-GOLD-PAIR-OF-PANNIERS-AP8792219Z-/281589861562?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4190104cba cant upload a pic of them the mtg brackets need to be modified but when done fit well
Forgot to mention they have a 3kg load limit
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Mon 20 Jul 2015, 20:41

siataukreg read through THIS POST it may be of some help uploading-pictures. I would like to see the panniers mounted.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Tue 04 Aug 2015, 11:30

http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif?filters[user]=55781765&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0
Pics here only three of them fit is excellent and many who have seen them thought they were made for the scooter
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Tue 04 Aug 2015, 16:51

That looks awesome.
Very few people have been able to successfully mount pannier hard cases to the wing.

Congrats!
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Tue 04 Aug 2015, 17:06



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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Tue 04 Aug 2015, 17:57

Thanks guys the ones in my first post are still on ebay for sale and have the frame work with them but not the barrels and keys still worth buying though mine were just the same as these a friend colour matched them
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Tue 04 Aug 2015, 20:56

cheers  applause Those are nice, I mean really nice. Nice enough to post at least one picture.  
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Fri 09 Oct 2015, 19:10

pannier set still on ebay for sale
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Fri 09 Oct 2015, 20:05

Oh I was about to ask what is a PANNIERS but now I see. Pretty too. I cant see mounting them on though.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Fri 09 Oct 2015, 20:23

Very sharp looking ....good job!
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Thu 03 Nov 2016, 20:09

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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Fri 04 Nov 2016, 02:52

Nicely done.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Sun 06 Nov 2016, 05:30

siataukreg wrote:



Is there any chance of some pictures of how they are attached without the panniers on please?
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Sun 06 Nov 2016, 06:21

What do big bags/boxes do to handling of already rear weight bias scooter? gas mileage?







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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Sun 06 Nov 2016, 07:06

These old chestnuts about bags and boxes never seem to go way. For years I've read posts saying 'top boxes ruin handling'. Utter fallacy, I've never ridden a maxi scooter in the last 20 years that didn't have a 50 litre plus top box permanently attatched. No ill effects whatsoever whether the box is full or empty.

Panniers/saddlebags I only use mine when Mrs M goes touring with me because I can no longer use the passenger seat to carry an Ortlieb bag. Again no problems, only that on my 650 Burgman I had to lift one soft bag out of the way to refuel, with hard bags it would have to be removed first then reattached.

Fuel consumption from the records that I have kept show no significant increase with soft bags and passenger. Those Aprilia hard panniers make the Silver Wing a lot wider than the Givi and Cameron soft bags I occasionally use, but siataukreg has made a very nice job of blending them in.

I liked the Scarabeo range, it's always bugged me that the useless UK Aprilia importer at the time didn't bring in it's big brother the original model Aprilia Scarabeo 500 which was also fitted with panniers. It's the only big wheel maxi scooter that's ever interested me.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Sun 06 Nov 2016, 08:37

I agree, I often have a loaded top box and I've never noticed it making any difference.
It's not like the Silverwing has pinpoint 'Sportsbike' handling anyway - if it did then maybe you would notice a difference but since it hasn't...
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Sun 06 Nov 2016, 22:43

I have a GIVI E55 Monokey and sometimes when I have a lot to carry, I do feel the influence the weight up high. I try to place heavier items under the seat, but there are times when heavy items are also in the top box. I have no problems carrying heavy items in the top box, but I do sense the weight up there.


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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Mon 07 Nov 2016, 01:58

Meldrew wrote:


I liked the Scarabeo range, it's always bugged me that the useless UK Aprilia importer at the time didn't bring in it's big brother the original model Aprilia Scarabeo 500 which was also fitted with panniers. It's the only big wheel maxi scooter that's ever interested me.

I ended up buying a Scarabeo 500, because I could not find a suitable newer model SW in Australia. The Scarabeo is not a bad scooter with the Piaggio 460cc engine ( 40hp ). It is a fair bit lighter than the SW; on paper they should be match, but the SW will leave it for dead the way it accelerates. Storage is not as generous as a SW, but not bad together with the Givi Box.
I am also at a loss why this model was so soon deleted from the Scarabeo range. Aprilia still sell the smaller models with the 250cc and 300cc engine here in Oz, but to me those are hopelessly underpowered. (300cc = 22.5 hp)
One scooter model which I am still keen to try is the Piaggio Beverly 350. It has excellent engine/weight ratio and still has got the big wheels. And you can actually buy a new one in Australia!
Would have loved to look at a Honda SH300i, but Honda also stopped importing those as soon as they hit the market. And I have never seen or heard of an SW model with ABS over here; that is how early they stopped bringing them in.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Mon 07 Nov 2016, 07:18

I experience the same as Easyrider with my E52: different feeling when it's full or not attached from when it's empty but it doesn't upset the handling and that's what matters as far as I'm concerned.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Mon 07 Nov 2016, 09:56

There is a noticeable difference in the handling of the S'wing with a passenger and/or a top box but it definitely is manageable. Don't take my word for it. Read the instructions that come with your bike or the luggage devices that attach to the bike. Warnings abound in both cases. Proven facts that apply to two wheel vehicles.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Mon 07 Nov 2016, 10:58

I don't agree, I've had Mrs M sat on the back of my Silver Wing on all sorts of roads, and on the supposedly speed limit free autobahns of Germany and there's nothing to report. No wobbles, scary moments, lack of acceleration, anything, and I've filled up with 170 miles or more on the trip recorder, and the fuel consumption is no different from solo riding. The only thing I do is adjust the tyre pressures and the rear shock settings for a passenger.

As for warning stickers and notices, there's notices in petrol/gas stations about No Smoking and using mobile/cell phones, yet you still see the occasional idiot doing it. Look at the shock horror health warnings and graphics on cigarette packets/cartons, and yet millions of smokers ignore them daily and carry on regardless. Speed limit signs are ignored with impunity etc.

Where's the sticker warning Silver Wing owners about about levering on obscure brand car tyres, fitting trailer hitches, or disabling the side stand safety cut out switch.



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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Mon 07 Nov 2016, 13:31

I do notice the extra weight two up in acceleration, braking and suspension on bumpy roads, but that's the same with any bike -or car for that matter.
Nothing dangerous though, just the laws of physics doing what they always do.
Top boxes on a bike can react to turbulance causing a bit of a weave but I've never noticed it on the sw or my other recent bikes (big traillies).
The last time I was aware of luggage affecting handling was in the mid 90's when I was young, daft and riding an RF900 on the naughty side of 130...
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Mon 07 Nov 2016, 15:15

Those thinking about Saddle Bags for SilverWing should think of this....based on BMW/Kawasaki Concours/CB750 Honda with hard Givi bags-----clam shell bags-side opening dump all your stuff on the ground when you open them. I would think one should consider only top opening bags/boxes.

I think Givi E-21 would work. I think German racks/holders are still available, too.


My complaint about top boxes/saddle bags loaded is that they screw up low speed handling as bike becomes top heavy feeling------My Givi E46 box now has over 500,000 miles-----and doesn't seem to bother handling at highway speeds....it does as you slow to parking lot speeds.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Wed 09 Nov 2016, 07:14

john grinsel wrote:
Those thinking about Saddle Bags for SilverWing should think of this....based on BMW/Kawasaki Concours/CB750 Honda with hard Givi bags-----clam shell bags-side opening dump all your stuff on the ground when you open them.  I would think one should consider only top opening bags/boxes.

I think Givi E-21 would work.  I think German racks/holders are still available, too.

I have a pair of Givi E-21 I would like to fit. I have searched for suitable pannier racks and the German ones are discontinued. I think they do the later styled European 600 SWing but I don't know if they'll fit?
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Wed 09 Nov 2016, 10:29

I looked at Fehling.de this AM....they have nothing for SilverWing, Same as Hepco & Becker.de, again nothing for SilverWing other than rear rack.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Wed 09 Nov 2016, 10:40

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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Wed 09 Nov 2016, 11:30

Flyingpanman wrote:
john grinsel wrote:
Those thinking about Saddle Bags for SilverWing should think of this....based on BMW/Kawasaki Concours/CB750 Honda with hard Givi bags-----clam shell bags-side opening dump all your stuff on the ground when you open them.  I would think one should consider only top opening bags/boxes.

I think Givi E-21 would work.  I think German racks/holders are still available, too.

I have a pair of Givi E-21 I would like to fit. I have searched for suitable pannier racks and the German ones are discontinued. I think they do the later styled European 600 SWing but I don't know if they'll fit?

The later silverwing pannier racks block the lock for the seat. Honda moved this on the later model but if you cut down the key you can fit them.
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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Wed 09 Nov 2016, 15:14

Meldrew wrote:
I don't agree, I've had Mrs M sat on the back of my Silver Wing on all sorts of roads, and on the supposedly speed limit free autobahns of Germany and there's nothing to report. No wobbles, scary moments, lack of acceleration, anything, and I've filled up with 170 miles or more on the trip recorder, and the fuel consumption is no different from solo riding.




Meldrew,
In my situation, I disagree with you. I ride a 2013 with a GIVI E55. I am 66 and weigh 150 lbs. My wife weighs 200 lbs. She stopped riding a couple of years ago when we went down on a U-TURN. I REALLY notice additional effort needed to maintain balance when in slow to stop-and-go traffic. I do not have a comfortable feeling riding two-up. But that's me.

When I first started riding in 2012, I did notice the difference with and without the top box. Now, with the Admore lights, I always ride with it mounted. Great place to store my riding gear.

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PostSubject: Re: silverwing panniers    Wed 09 Nov 2016, 18:04


Agree on what weight, high and to the rear does to low speed handling of SilverWing, get older and it gets worse. Most top heavy bike I have had=Kawasaki Concours, ok once you were rolling....and if it fell over really heavy to get upright.
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