Thought this thread was interesting:

http://maxi-scoots.com/scoot/index.php?topic=2407.60

Like many I was sitting on the fence re buying a SW or burger, in the end Honda's reliability won me over.

When I was in France last year, a French guy came over at a fuel stop and started asking about the Swing. It appears that he had bought 2 Burger 650 Execs and had the same problems with both. Something about the electronic gearbox failing. I bought a Burger 400 new in 2001 and it was a delight to ride, especially after I fitted a Malossi exhaust and variator. Such a shame that they have a great scoot but with those problems, I sure wouldn't consider buying one.
Ian

I was in the south of France last week and saw plenty of Burgers and TMax's.... but not a single Silverwing!

Yes Suzuki has had some problems in US with 650.....but this guy is somebody who shouldn't be riding a bike or scooter. I say always research a dealer before using them, have a good idea yourself what is wrong.

I had a Burgman 400 new, ok scooter---funny oil leaks, on third try by dealer.....went out in the showroom and bought a new SilverWing----dealer is fine, they in the end got bike fixed and sold to an idiot, who promptly put it in the weeds----last I saw him on three wheels and still not riding well. Also my Suzuki GS500E went 64,000 miles in 15 months in all kinds of weather. Troublefree.

SilverWing is simple in the trans dept compared to Burgman 650....but this 650 mentioned trans trouble? Engine? Owner abuse? Lack of dealer calling in Suzuki fieldman before tearing apart? Rider sounds like idiot to me---dealers are not mind readers.

Back to the garage for me---mount new tires on NT....didn't want a dealer to screw up work. South sucks 100 degrees F. Good exercise.

My long bike experience and since I use them as tool as well as toy----got big problems where there will be delay in repairs-----trade, get a new one----getting hard in the days now of $10,000 scooters----and to think Sears Vespa were sold @$325 for years

John whilst in the main I agree with your comments. The one I would disagree with you on is the 400/650 Burgman. They are as you are probably aware two totally differing machines. The share the same name but the similarities stop there in my view so a comparison is pointless. The engine size apart, the differences are massive. Transmission, electrics, frame - blah blah blah the list just goes on.

Myself, as a previous 400 Burgman owner considered the 650 as a natural step up. But, and this is where I do agree with John. Did my homework. The bigger Suzuki had far more negative points than the Wing by a long way.

Once you have ridden a Silver Wing there is no turning back, it is superior in so many areas. (Regards a comparison between the Suzuki and Honda.)

I agree on Burgman 400 and 650---apples and oranges. I have ridden 650, liked and bought 400 as it seemed better. Simple comparison---600SilverWing seems to be better deal than Burgman 650---and $1500 price difference.

Just finished front tire change on NT----designed by idiots---Honda recommends draining brake system to remove caliphers----found way around. 100 degree F temperatures make tires easier to go on and off rims. Just think of dark nite/rain/repair along the road.

By the way these Bridgestones/BT020 were much easier to work with than the OEM Bridgestone that came on my SilverWing

At 5'7'' feet are flat on the ground on the berg 400 and swing and on a 650 berg i'm on my toes. big diff there