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PostSubject: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon May 04, 2009 1:05 pm

Hi everyone,

It was brought to my attention that we don't have any sticky's on this forum. Someone has requested, and it is a very good request, to place a sticky so it will stay at the top of the "Topic". So I am putting this here to ask all the members about any serious issues with the Silver Wing.

I know that there were a couple of recalls/issues very early on but those have been resolved years ago. Do any of you know of issues concerning reliability, safety, or just issues with comfort? I don't what this to be a post where riders say "well the shield could be higher", or "I wish the seat was lower". But rather recall issues or serious trouble issues. I know with the '07 and later Burgman 400 they have had issues with the clutch, so that is the feedback I would like. I'm not denigrating the Burgman but just using it as an example. That is one of the newest bikes out and the new ones seem to have a problem or two, for the first couple of years.

So please come back with any serious issues that Honda just hasn't seemed to fix. Personally, I just can't remember any or know of any, but I do seem to remember they had a recall or two early on. I have only had the SWing for 2 years but after a lot of research I just don't think the SWing has been aflicted with any serious trouble.

Thanks,

JeffR

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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon May 04, 2009 3:33 pm

One problem I have been told about is the seat, you have to make sure its closed down correctly, or it leaves the trunk light on and then drains the battery.
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the fix was to take out the bulb. Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon May 04, 2009 4:45 pm

Jeff,
I'm sure somewhere on the other board they had listed a site to go to to find out if your bike had any recalls, You could list the site and people could check their own recalls. Even tho they were years ago people are always buying older ones used without a history, so they will be curious.

Holding the handbrake all the way in and putting up the kickstand in order to start the bike is another common one.

As mentioned above the trunk light is another common one.

Most people still don't realize the speedo is inaccurate or why.

Since there won't be many super-important things coming out, how about making a sticky
that details typical gotchya's:
"FAQ for new Silverwing owners: How to get the most out of your bike."
Then you can put all of the above in there and more, along with links to the individual board topics. You can link to the FAQ on a Site Welcome message. I invite you to consider that part of the Sticky should be a reminder to search for the information on both this and other boards (Your board is strong enough now to consider .org as a sister board rather than competition and there is no reason not to cross-promote. Most users are members of both boards anyway.) for answers. Let your sticky advertise that we are an active and involved community and have many of the answers they are looking for. They simply have to search what is already out there, and then ask any specific questions about details.

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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon May 04, 2009 7:34 pm

Dan,

That is a good idea of yours. The reason I haven't done that,mention your site, is not because I think of anyone as "competition" but just because I didn't think of it. I also thought that everyone knows of www.silverwing.org , the site you moderate, and the Silver Wing site on the Yahoo Groups.

Here is a link for recalls for many cycles: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/motorcycle_recalls/01/honda/index.html

Thanks for the help Dan.

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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon May 04, 2009 8:55 pm

Jeff,
I'm really glad to hear that there is no rivalry.
It's only natural when creating a new site that does something similar to another site, that you want to nurture your base and not have them look to a more mature site for information. You've done a really good job with this site and it has grown tremendously. People are getting a lot of good information here. Also while I do mod on the other site it no more belongs to me than this site belongs to DennisB or jdeeranton. We poor and humble mods live to serve our webtastic overlords Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Tue May 05, 2009 8:05 am

OK Dan and Jeff, I'm getting all choked up here - the two of you play well together!

FYI, I visit both forums and participate equally in both. They both have their own unique character, and that is good. Their is enough room in the Silver Wing cyber world for both, and that's a good thing. As we say in Chicago, "thanks to 'dabothuvya" for your efforts on your respective forums!
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Tue May 05, 2009 2:16 pm

Hi Fellas,

Well I can think of a quite important issue regarding the S'wing... Namely, it can severely affect ones free time and disposable income. For instance after all the Mods, I even went and bought a bike aswell.... As to free time, well notwithstanding being out riding the S'wing, there is all the time spent on internet forums.... Shocked Smile
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PostSubject: problems with the Swing   Wed May 06, 2009 7:34 am

While I have not (yet) had this problem, I recall that a few months ago Bernardo mentioned a problem with his wheels losing air pressure due to corrosion inside the rims. Bernardo, perhaps you could correct my fuzzy recollection here.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Thu May 07, 2009 2:25 pm

The Scootist wrote:
While I have not (yet) had this problem, I recall that a few months ago Bernardo mentioned a problem with his wheels losing air pressure due to corrosion inside the rims. Bernardo, perhaps you could correct my fuzzy recollection here.


Yep, its all in the maintenance section...

http://www.silverwing600.com/maintenance-tips-and-hints-f7/corroded-wheels-and-bad-tyre-pressure-t139.htm?sid=a9550fa7ac00045b054a6b8cd2ee4e3a

And no problems with tyre pressure since getting the powder coat. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Thu May 07, 2009 10:38 pm

steve0 wrote:
One problem I have been told about is the seat, you have to make sure its closed down correctly, or it leaves the trunk light on and then drains the battery.
\
the fix was to take out the bulb. Crying or Very sad


Why the sad face? You should carry a good LED or halogen penlight in your tool kit anyway, so what's the point of the trunk light?

I hate dead batteries, so I'm going to pull the bulb just as a matter of course.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Thu May 07, 2009 10:41 pm

Bernardo wrote:
Hi Fellas,

Well I can think of a quite important issue regarding the S'wing... Namely, it can severely affect ones free time and disposable income. For instance after all the Mods, I even went and bought a bike aswell.... As to free time, well notwithstanding being out riding the S'wing, there is all the time spent on internet forums.... Shocked Smile


I hear you. I bought a New Beetle diesel in 1999 to "save money". Endless tinkering and mods later I'd spent $40,000 on my $20,000 car and wasted hundreds of gallons of fuel driving it for no reason. I would have spent less money had I bought a boring, gas-guzzling SUV.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Fri May 08, 2009 1:27 am

mickey wrote:
Bernardo wrote:
Hi Fellas,

Well I can think of a quite important issue regarding the S'wing... Namely, it can severely affect ones free time and disposable income. For instance after all the Mods, I even went and bought a bike aswell.... As to free time, well notwithstanding being out riding the S'wing, there is all the time spent on internet forums.... Shocked Smile


I hear you. I bought a New Beetle diesel in 1999 to "save money". Endless tinkering and mods later I'd spent $40,000 on my $20,000 car and wasted hundreds of gallons of fuel driving it for no reason. I would have spent less money had I bought a boring, gas-guzzling SUV.


Yes but, perhaps you are missing something here! You say you drove it for miles "for no reason"..... Well surely you drove it because you enjoyed it! OK it was expensive, but it must have been a good project, since you clearly got some sense of achievement from it. It must have captured your imagination somehow.

Apart from perhaps vintage machines (cars and bikes), you never get a return on your investment. Even the best machines depreciate. So it's not really about the money, or the time you spend on it, but the experience..... At the end of the day its more about what it does for you, rather than the money. Well that's my excuse. Looking back now to when I got the scoot, I realise that I needed something because I was a bit fed up and depressed. I had an old VW campervan which I loved, yet we never used. The Mrs as it turns out doesn't like camping that much. So it was more of a mobile playground for the kids, and handy for moving the odd bit of furniture around. It just sat there a little sad looking and forlorn..... It kinda broke my heart. So I sold it, and made much more money than I thought I would. With the money, I bought a laptop computer, a widescreen TV, my Silver Wing, and along with it a whole load of self respect back, and the beginnings of a project that whilst not cheap, worked wonders for my sense of self. Plus I now have a much faster, better handling, and more economical scoot than I used to! And I got into various forums on the internet to chat about it. One day I might have the time to actually meet up with folk... Hopefully in mid June.....

I have to say that I probably ride my bike and scoot more for the experience and enjoyment than anything else. Though they can be a useful mode of transport too!!

Happy Riding!
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Fri May 08, 2009 7:34 am

My SWing has a serious tracking problem. The damn thing won't go straight. I take it to the store to pick up a few things, and it won't go straight home. It always finds the longest route possible. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Fri May 08, 2009 8:00 pm

Hi All,
Just as a side note::::: Was this really going to be a serious thread????? Laughing Razz bounce cyclops :beer: :bounce1:

chickendance :mallet: :ROTF:


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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Sat May 09, 2009 2:21 am

MikeH wrote:
My SWing has a serious tracking problem. The damn thing won't go straight. I take it to the store to pick up a few things, and it won't go straight home. It always finds the longest route possible. Smile


Seriously ...

I had a problem with my Stearing Head bearings 'notching' hadn't noticed it until it failed it's UK MOT Sad

Can be found by slowly moving handlebars from side to side slowly, the 'notch' is noticeable in the center position.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Sat May 09, 2009 5:17 am

mikbak wrote:
MikeH wrote:
My SWing has a serious tracking problem. The damn thing won't go straight. I take it to the store to pick up a few things, and it won't go straight home. It always finds the longest route possible. Smile


Seriously ...

I had a problem with my Stearing Head bearings 'notching' hadn't noticed it until it failed it's UK MOT Sad

Can be found by slowly moving handlebars from side to side slowly, the 'notch' is noticeable in the center position.


That is quite common on all motor cycles.Not just silver wing .
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Tue May 19, 2009 4:07 am

Well one of the things I have had a problem with is that when I put too much in the underseat compartment then I can't get it opened. It actually did it at the dealership open house. So I got one of the service guys and he got it opened. I don't have things packed in there but it doesn't seem to take much for that to jam. I'm looking forward to getting my Givi trunk put on...I really need more storage space!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Tue May 19, 2009 6:56 am

Coralee,
The way to open the seat if it won't unlatch is simply to press down in the middle (right in front of the rider's butt rest). When too much stuff is in the underseat compartment it will cause the seat pan to actually bow up a little in the middle. This in turn puts enough force on the rear latch to prevent it from opening. Pushing down on the center of the seat unloads the rear latch enough that it will click open after you have turned the key.

p.s. Love your tag line. It's one of my wife's favorite sayings. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Tue May 19, 2009 7:30 am

Thanks...I know I carry too much "stuff" and at some point you will see me riding down the road with a trailer just to carry it all!! Smile
I love that sayings also, even have a T-shirt with that one. I also love "the road less traveled". My dad used to recommend that book. The first line in the book is "life is difficult"...I love it!
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Sun May 31, 2009 5:15 pm

MikeH wrote:
My SWing has a serious tracking problem. The damn thing won't go straight. I take it to the store to pick up a few things, and it won't go straight home. It always finds the longest route possible. Smile


Damn this could be serious... That happened to me today!

I've been busy of late frantically trying to finish a case study I am writing for my post grad certificate, so have not been out that much. So when I realised that we needed some groceries, I climbed on the S'wing to get them..... Well the supermarket is on the outskirts of town, not far from the open roads and a 60mh speed limit.... I thought damn the supermarket and shot past going for a wee ride first before getting the groceries. On the way back I think a Honda Varadero, or Suzuki 1,000 V-Strom thundered past.... He was going at a fair lick, and at first I thought it was a crotch rocket (saw him in the mirrors) so I let him past, and then after he had gone by decided to keep up..... I couldn't match his accleration could only pass 2 to 3 cars to his 4 to 5, but every time I caught up with him, I noticed he glanced in the mirror and would overtake another few cars..... Then after a while he'd look in the mirror again and there I was right behind again...... So he'd accelerate off and overtake a few more cars, onmly to find me right behind him again failry soon after.... It was kinda fun. Once in town there wasn't as much room for him to manouvere as he had panniers on so couldn't fit between the slow/stationary cars....... But the turn off came up for the supermarket, so I saved him any extra embaressment, and went to get the groceries rather than scooting past.... Twisted Evil Smile On a final note, I reckon the handling of the scoot with my odd tyre setup, and progressive front springs is more nimble than my Yamaha bike which is a little heavier right enough, but with with bigger wheels and grippy metzelers..... Anyway, once I did the shopping I pushed the supermarket trolley up to the scoot and loaded up several bagfuls of shopping to the bemusement of several passersby and rode home feeling happier and more laid back again.... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Sun May 31, 2009 7:11 pm

Bernardo,

I do the same thing as you...ride past the store first and then go there about 1/2 hour or so later. Makes going to the store fun and I just tell my wife it was really busy. :ROTF: I also like to take the shopping cart out to the scoot and watch as others look at what I'm doing. I can fit about 8 or our grocery bags, which are the smaller plastic ones, in my scoot.. the people just stare at me when I do this. You guys over there sure get a lot of bikes we don't get. I've never heard of a Veradero, or others you guys get. Must be nice to have such a large selection.

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PostSubject: Ride a Silver Wing, risk getting addicted to bikes aswell...   Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:31 am

Jeff

This summer, starting next week when I've completed the work for my course (which I'm supposed to be doing right now, but have been seduced away again) I'm going to enjoy test riding various other machines, though for the moment I seem to have my heart set on a Yamaha Fazer 1000, but the older torquier carb model. I should be able to keep my Mrs agreeable and afford one by next summer. The Honda Varadero however isn't on my list, as its heavier than my yamaha, and only a little more bhp, though better torque.....

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Honda/Honda-XL1000-Varadero-2001--current/?&R=EPI-336


Beisdes I think I have a thing for the 4 cylinder bikes, or maybe even the Triumph Tiger triple, now that is a lovely machine, if a bit tall. A lowering kit and taller screen is needed for that one......

I still need to have a go on a Suzuki V-Strom 1000 which is the suzuki equivalent, over 100bhp and a bit more torque than I have on my yamaha, and lighter. Plus price wise these are affordable.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Suzuki/Suzuki-DL1000-V-Strom-2002-current/?&R=EPI-406

It's all money money money..... You test ride, and then think what you would need to do to tweak it to how you like..... sigh. The Fazer other than needing a taller screen seemed "just right", and plenty powerful enough, though its still tweakable.... That by the way is something to be wary of with regard to insurance, as even for my S'wing I had to shop around a bit to find a company that doesn't charge an arm and a leg for the performance mods.

The only other machine I've ridden that really felt right was the BMW R1200GS, but even a second hand one is twice the price of a same age Fazer. Also the Fazer feels much quicker and aggressive, but also has that laid back "cruise a long" feel if you ride easy and are gentle on the revs. That is what I'm after, and being able to do it in comfort....

Yep that Silver wing has sure spoilt me for bikes and scoots. I sometimes think that if I hadn't have done all the mods to the Wing, and had tested more bikes before buying the Yamaha diversion, I'd have enough money now to buy a Fazer.... But I'd have missed out on all the fun tweaking the Wing, and perhaps not as gone into test riding other bikes as much....

I was thinking I usually write a review when I've tested a bike... I've already written a few. Should I post them here on the general section? Would anyone be interested?

For what its worth, The S'wing usually wins overall for its versatility and comfort, and only really loses out on brute power and torque.... If I'd never tried any of the other bikes, than I'd probably be content with owning the S'wing alone.

Then again what waste of space having just one machine in the garage when you could have 2, hmmmmm?! or maybe, even three....!
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:57 am

Bernardo, please post your reviews. It's allways interesting what others think of other bikes.
In my opinion Varadero 1000 is too plain. It is not as nimble as one would want and too heavy for even lightest offroad riding. My friend had one, he couldn't keep up with us on Dominators. It's very comfortable on the highway thou.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:41 pm

As a new owner (3 days), I noticed a few problems with my SW:
1. The darn weather has been crappy (rainy and cold) and I can't ride!!! I need to add some miles, only 28ml so far.
2. On a more serious note, I think that the trunk latch is a bit clumsy. A few times, I actually left the trunk un-latched because it seems that it needs a good push on the end to lock. I am not sure either light is on at that point. Also, it takes at least 2-3 turns of the key to unlock it (not much inside).
Thanks.
Gunars: you are in Riga, I've been there a few times, I am originally from Kiev.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:39 pm

Miro:
If you leave the seat unlatched, the compartment light stays on and will eventually run down your battery. If you plan to do that often you might want to remove the light bulb.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:22 pm

After looking for a button (that must be pushed by the seat) for a while, I just removed the light bulb. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:03 pm

I took both my Reflex (41K) and my Silverwing (56K) to the dealer for new tires and drive belts. They checked the brake pads. Both scoots needed new rear pads but the front ones on each were ok. I have tried to squeeze both brake handles equally and each braking I use both. What might I be doing wrong?
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:05 pm

Just like in cars, there will be a different brakes wear (from front to back ) in scooters. This might be due to:
1. "rear wheel drive"
2. Honda combined brake system (I am sure it's been discussed here before)
3. More weight on one wheel vs. the other.
4. You're being righty vs. lefty (different pressure on levers)
Thanks. Miro.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:05 am

gunars wrote:
Bernardo, please post your reviews. It's allways interesting what others think of other bikes.
In my opinion Varadero 1000 is too plain. It is not as nimble as one would want and too heavy for even lightest offroad riding. My friend had one, he couldn't keep up with us on Dominators. It's very comfortable on the highway thou.


The Dominator was a great machine, I think I was told that by everyone that rode one.... I never did ride one myself.... Was it the Africa Twin that took over from them, and now they have even stopped making them aswell.... You still see a few around though.

I stopped next to a Varadero the other day whilst on my S'wing. It was huge.... It seemed bigger in just about everyway, and the seat height a good few inches higher aswell.



I'll go through the different reviews that I have written and start posting them.
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PostSubject: Re: Are there any serious problems or issues with the Silver Wing ?   Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:47 am

Dominator 650ccm engine is still used on some Honda models. Although a bit de-forced version. Original was 44hp and now it is down to 36hp. Althou bike is reliable there are reports of failed engines at around 60k kms. And repair costs are high.
Africa Twin is 750ccm V-twin engine. And very thirsty one. Something around 12l/100km! I'd say that Varadero is next generation of Africa Twin.
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