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RArch Silver Wing Expert
Number of posts : 613 Age : 57 Location : West London, UK Points : 5397 Registration date : 2011-11-07
| Subject: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:55 pm | |
| It doesn't seem to have the non-return valve! I've just replace the filter on a friends silverwing, I believe its a Honda filter. I'll rip it open tomorrow and take some photos too |
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GHM-PM Site Admin
Number of posts : 2617 Age : 72 Location : Bullhead City, AZ Points : 7488 Registration date : 2012-05-17
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:21 pm | |
| Actually it had a functioning bypass valve; I just forgot to grab a pic of it. And to clarify, this filter was cut open TODAY April 3, 2013. Most of the anti-Fram material circulating reaches back to 1996 or so. The above filter was purchased in late 2012 so at least this information is current.
Yes it would be cool to see a Honda filter cut up for comparison! |
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RArch Silver Wing Expert
Number of posts : 613 Age : 57 Location : West London, UK Points : 5397 Registration date : 2011-11-07
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:02 am | |
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GHM-PM Site Admin
Number of posts : 2617 Age : 72 Location : Bullhead City, AZ Points : 7488 Registration date : 2012-05-17
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:14 pm | |
| Nicely done! After viewing both I would say the Honda filter appears to be built better! |
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Dave Weller Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 85 Location : Chatham Kent UK Points : 4844 Registration date : 2011-11-09
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:52 pm | |
| Honda filter is much better |
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RamblinRedhead Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 65 Location : Norfolk, VA Points : 4323 Registration date : 2013-03-14
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:24 pm | |
| My brother told me they use this same filter in his ST1300, and it is used in the Goldwing. Seems to me the filter not only looks better, but has been well engineered for that diverse variety of engines.
I would rather pay a few dollars more. |
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motorking Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 1 Location : detroit Points : 4228 Registration date : 2013-04-10
| Subject: Oil filters Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:16 am | |
| Good morning I am the tech manager at FRAM. If you are looking for a upgraded filter for your silver wings, we do sell a Honda Automotive filter part number XG6607 that fits the silver wing and has the same relief valve pressure. It is 99% efficient and has capacity for over 10k miles. It costs 8$, still less than the OE filter. This XG6607 has steel end caps, a stainless steel pleated screen and two layers of full synthetic filter media. Our standard PH6017A is 95% efficiency and has capacity for 4k oil changes. To prove the robust design of our filters, we have been road racing for the past three years in the WERA midwest and absolutely dominating in the LWT classes. One of our race bikes has three racing seasons on one engine, picture attached. Happy to answer any filtration questions at jay.buckley@framgrp.com - Attachments
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GHM-PM Site Admin
Number of posts : 2617 Age : 72 Location : Bullhead City, AZ Points : 7488 Registration date : 2012-05-17
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:24 am | |
| MK. thanks so much for the information. Nice to have someone with intimate knowledge chime in on this subject! |
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Colin B Silver Wing Expert
Number of posts : 586 Age : 72 Location : Windsor, UK Points : 4895 Registration date : 2013-03-20
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:53 am | |
| Is there a discount if we mention this forum when ordering? |
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mrcaveman Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 19 Age : 78 Location : Springfield, Il Points : 4860 Registration date : 2011-08-11
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:21 pm | |
| My local Walmart stocks this Fram oil filter. $8.98. I may give it a try. |
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Chilliwing Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 146 Age : 68 Location : Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada Points : 4983 Registration date : 2011-09-03
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:25 pm | |
| Thanks to GHM-PM for starting the thread and motorking for the update on Fram, very useful info |
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GHM-PM Site Admin
Number of posts : 2617 Age : 72 Location : Bullhead City, AZ Points : 7488 Registration date : 2012-05-17
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:45 am | |
| My reason for starting this thread was all the negative press floating around the internet. Most of this bad info dates back to the mid- 1990's. I personally have used Fram filters for many years and while I have had filters fail, I have NEVER had a Fram give up the ghost. Maybe just lucky but I thought it was worth re-evaluating. |
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som2002 Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 120 Age : 52 Location : Janesville, WI Points : 5759 Registration date : 2009-06-19
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:43 pm | |
| Now we need to see that new high-end FRAM cut open for comparison. |
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buddy19520 Touring Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 378 Location : Cornelius NC Points : 5775 Registration date : 2010-02-28
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:42 am | |
| We're all so worried about how good the filters are; doesn't the Helix motor only have a screen in it? If not the helix, I know there are some small scoots that only have a screen (every GY6 made). |
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GHM-PM Site Admin
Number of posts : 2617 Age : 72 Location : Bullhead City, AZ Points : 7488 Registration date : 2012-05-17
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:56 am | |
| - buddy19520 wrote:
- We're all so worried about how good the filters are; doesn't the Helix motor only have a screen in it? If not the helix, I know there are some small scoots that only have a screen (every GY6 made).
Yes indeed! But for longevity which would most people prefer? For a high-speed machine like the SWing give me a real filter any day! |
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RickV Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 100 Age : 79 Location : MN Points : 5205 Registration date : 2010-11-28
| Subject: Fram 6017A cut open Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:25 pm | |
| Would also like to see the Hi-Flow #204 cut open for comparison.
Rick V |
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Kennylxix Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 156 Location : FL Points : 3121 Registration date : 2016-11-05
| Subject: Oil filter recommendations Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:17 pm | |
| Now that I'm confident that my new engine is going to work I'm going to put some good oil in and change the filter that came along with it.
I searched and saw a couple mentions of longer filters but nothing definitive.
Does anyone have a recommendation for a sweet extended filter?
Thanks! |
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Sidewinder Pilot Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 200 Location : Ocala, FL Points : 3671 Registration date : 2015-05-21
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:42 pm | |
| I'm sure you will soon hear that you should either use the recommended Honda filter and oil or to use the cheapest Walmart oil and filter and change it every 3-4k.....Both are valid positions.
However, I use the large,r synthetic specific, Bosch D3323 filter and Mobil1 Extended Performance oil.
https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-extended-performance
I couldn't be happier with this, even at an extended OCI of 10,000 miles the oil maintains full lubricity and viscosity breakdown is unnoticeable. The filter is suitable for 2 intervals, and I suspect that the oil could go the 15,000 miles that Mobil claims. |
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Kennylxix Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 156 Location : FL Points : 3121 Registration date : 2016-11-05
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:51 pm | |
| Got it. Yeah I have my own school of thought on brands. I was just looking for a part number.
Thanks for the Bosch Number! |
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Easyrider Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts : 1013 Age : 74 Location : HI Points : 4334 Registration date : 2015-12-18
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:10 am | |
| Kenny, I found this post:
Here is a very good post from a FRAM tech: [quote="motorking"]Good morning I am the tech manager at FRAM. If you are looking for a upgraded filter for your silver wings, we do sell a Honda Automotive filter part number XG6607 that fits the silver wing and has the same relief valve pressure. It is 99% efficient and has capacity for over 10k miles. It costs 8$, still less than the OE filter. This XG6607 has steel end caps, a stainless steel pleated screen and two layers of full synthetic filter media. Our standard PH6017A is 95% efficiency and has capacity for 4k oil changes. To prove the robust design of our filters, we have been road racing for the past three years in the WERA midwest and absolutely dominating in the LWT classes. One of our race bikes has three racing seasons on one engine, picture attached. Happy to answer any filtration questions at jay.buckley@framgrp.com[/quo |
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Kennylxix Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 156 Location : FL Points : 3121 Registration date : 2016-11-05
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:09 am | |
| Neat! I took a look at a couple videos of the synthetic filter. From Fram and it looks pretty good. |
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john grinsel Curmudgeon
Number of posts : 3309 Age : 85 Points : 9442 Registration date : 2009-08-18
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:52 am | |
| Since you will never ride the bike enough to wear it out----proper Fram filter usually available at WalMart, then Walmart house brand 10-40 oil----with this oil I have over 500,000 mile experience, two and four wheel, even using it in new Miata.
I change oil every 2,000 miles when I am at home---filter every other oil change. Traveling, putting a lot of miles in short time, may go as long as 4,000 miles before changing.
Long/bigger filter=waste of time and money. Fresh and clean oil lets Hondas go a long time.
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GHM-PM Site Admin
Number of posts : 2617 Age : 72 Location : Bullhead City, AZ Points : 7488 Registration date : 2012-05-17
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:10 am | |
| I have been using the Fram XG6607 for several years. No problems at all. I use same filter in both my Wings. Nearest Honda dealer is nearly 50 miles away... |
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Easyrider Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts : 1013 Age : 74 Location : HI Points : 4334 Registration date : 2015-12-18
| Subject: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017 cut opeen Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:53 pm | |
| I buy my XG6607 form Walmart and Mobile -1 from Costco. Now that I have 8k miles, I will be changing my oil every 10k miles starting when I reach 10k miles. I change my filter at every oil change. |
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janitorj1 Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 104 Age : 71 Location : Folkston, GA Points : 3843 Registration date : 2014-09-07
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:43 pm | |
| My understanding is that automotive/vehicle Filters, Tires, Oils, et. al. all have to meet certain specifications. To be sold in the US as a load rating C, heat rating B, 10w-30, 10w40, etc., it has to meet specifications set by the Gov't. to be sold or marketed as meeting such requirements. Anything else could be considered "fluff". So yes, I have fallen into the trap that more expensive is better, but is it really? I'm running a Wix filter from the family owned auto parts store here in town (Advance is down the street), and Castrol Power I SAE 10w-40, 4T, Full Synthetic, JASO MA-2, API SL (Whatever that means), from Amazon no less. I suppose I could "go cheap" with the same results. On the other side, I insist on genuine Motorcraft oils and filters for my Ford truck. Used to be a parts and service director at a dealer, I'm brainwashed I guess. I dunno...
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DickO Founding Member
Number of posts : 1019 Age : 79 Location : Atchison, KS Points : 6946 Registration date : 2008-12-23
| Subject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:07 pm | |
| Hi Kenny, I don't know if "bigger/longer" is actually a waste as John G. says, but since you asked about a longer filter, I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in... I've changed my oil using 10W30 full syn and using a Fram TG7317 filter. I had seen this recommended at one time and being the new kid on the block as far as two wheeled transportation goes (Jun, 2008), I gave it a try. As it turned out, the 7317 actually was longer than the OEM unit. Worried me at first because of the filter wrench I was using. Anyway, all went well and that's what I've been using on my changes, averaging 7000 miles per change. |
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