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PostSubject: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeWed 03 Apr 2013, 23:55

It doesn't seem to have the non-return valve!

I've just replace the filter on a friends silverwing, I believe its a Honda filter. I'll rip it open tomorrow and take some photos too Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeThu 04 Apr 2013, 03:21

Actually it had a functioning bypass valve; I just forgot to grab a pic of it. And to clarify, this filter was cut open TODAY April 3, 2013. Most of the anti-Fram material circulating reaches back to 1996 or so. The above filter was purchased in late 2012 so at least this information is current.

Yes it would be cool to see a Honda filter cut up for comparison!
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeFri 05 Apr 2013, 16:02

Here is a Honda filter:

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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeFri 05 Apr 2013, 19:14

Nicely done! After viewing both I would say the Honda filter appears to be built better!
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeFri 05 Apr 2013, 19:52

Honda filter is much better
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeFri 05 Apr 2013, 22:24

My brother told me they use this same filter in his ST1300, and it is used in the Goldwing. Seems to me the filter not only looks better, but has been well engineered for that diverse variety of engines.

I would rather pay a few dollars more.
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PostSubject: Oil filters   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeThu 11 Apr 2013, 13:16

Good morning
I am the tech manager at FRAM. If you are looking for a upgraded filter for your silver wings, we do sell a Honda Automotive filter part number XG6607 that fits the silver wing and has the same relief valve pressure. It is 99% efficient and has capacity for over 10k miles. It costs 8$, still less than the OE filter. This XG6607 has steel end caps, a stainless steel pleated screen and two layers of full synthetic filter media. Our standard PH6017A is 95% efficiency and has capacity for 4k oil changes. To prove the robust design of our filters, we have been road racing for the past three years in the WERA midwest and absolutely dominating in the LWT classes. One of our race bikes has three racing seasons on one engine, picture attached.
Happy to answer any filtration questions at jay.buckley@framgrp.com
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeThu 11 Apr 2013, 15:24

MK. thanks so much for the information. Nice to have someone with intimate knowledge chime in on this subject!
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeThu 11 Apr 2013, 15:53

Is there a discount if we mention this forum when ordering? Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeSun 14 Jul 2013, 23:21

My local Walmart stocks this Fram oil filter. $8.98. I may give it a try.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 15 Jul 2013, 03:25

Thanks to GHM-PM for starting the thread and motorking for the update on Fram, very useful info
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 15 Jul 2013, 16:45

My reason for starting this thread was all the negative press floating around the internet. Most of this bad info dates back to the mid- 1990's. I personally have used Fram filters for many years and while I have had filters fail, I have NEVER had a Fram give up the ghost. Maybe just lucky but I thought it was worth re-evaluating.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 15 Jul 2013, 20:43

Now we need to see that new high-end FRAM cut open for comparison.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeTue 16 Jul 2013, 07:42

We're all so worried about how good the filters are; doesn't the Helix motor only have a screen in it? If not the helix, I know there are some small scoots that only have a screen (every GY6 made).
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeTue 16 Jul 2013, 16:56

buddy19520 wrote:
We're all so worried about how good the filters are;  doesn't the Helix motor only have a screen in it?  If not the helix, I know there are some small scoots that only have a screen (every GY6 made).

Yes indeed! But for longevity which would most people prefer? For a high-speed machine like the SWing give me a real filter any day!
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PostSubject: Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeTue 16 Jul 2013, 21:25

Would also like to see the Hi-Flow #204 cut open for comparison.

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PostSubject: Oil filter recommendations    Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 21 Nov 2016, 06:17

Now that I'm confident that my new engine is going to work I'm going to put some good oil in and change the filter that came along with it.

I searched and saw a couple mentions of longer filters but nothing definitive.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a sweet extended filter?

Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 21 Nov 2016, 06:42

I'm sure you will soon hear that you should either use the recommended Honda filter and oil or to use the cheapest Walmart oil and filter and change it every 3-4k.....Both are valid positions.

However, I use the large,r synthetic specific, Bosch D3323 filter and Mobil1 Extended Performance oil.

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-extended-performance

I couldn't be happier with this, even at an extended OCI of 10,000 miles the oil maintains full lubricity and viscosity breakdown is unnoticeable. The filter is suitable for 2 intervals, and I suspect that the oil could go the 15,000 miles that Mobil claims.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 21 Nov 2016, 06:51

Got it. Yeah I have my own school of thought on brands. I was just looking for a part number.

Thanks for the Bosch Number!
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 21 Nov 2016, 09:10

Kenny,
I found this post:

Here is a very good post from a FRAM tech:
[quote="motorking"]Good morning
I am the tech manager at FRAM. If you are looking for a upgraded filter for your silver wings, we do sell a Honda Automotive filter part number XG6607 that fits the silver wing and has the same relief valve pressure. It is 99% efficient and has capacity for over 10k miles. It costs 8$, still less than the OE filter. This XG6607 has steel end caps, a stainless steel pleated screen and two layers of full synthetic filter media. Our standard PH6017A is 95% efficiency and has capacity for 4k oil changes. To prove the robust design of our filters, we have been road racing for the past three years in the WERA midwest and absolutely dominating in the LWT classes. One of our race bikes has three racing seasons on one engine, picture attached. 
Happy to answer any filtration questions at jay.buckley@framgrp.com[/quo
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 21 Nov 2016, 11:09

Neat! I took a look at a couple videos of the synthetic filter. From Fram and it looks pretty good.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 21 Nov 2016, 12:52

Since you will never ride the bike enough to wear it out----proper Fram filter usually available at WalMart, then Walmart house brand 10-40 oil----with this oil I have over 500,000 mile experience, two and four wheel, even using it in new Miata.

I change oil every 2,000 miles when I am at home---filter every other oil change. Traveling, putting a lot of miles in short time, may go as long as 4,000 miles before changing.


Long/bigger filter=waste of time and money. Fresh and clean oil lets Hondas go a long time.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 21 Nov 2016, 15:10

I have been using the Fram XG6607 for several years. No problems at all. I use same filter in both my Wings. Nearest Honda dealer is nearly 50 miles away...
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PostSubject: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017 cut opeen   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeMon 21 Nov 2016, 19:53

I buy my XG6607 form Walmart and Mobile -1 from Costco. Now that I have 8k miles, I will be changing my oil every 10k miles starting when I reach 10k miles. I change my filter at every oil change.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeWed 23 Nov 2016, 00:43

My understanding is that automotive/vehicle Filters, Tires, Oils, et. al. all have to meet certain specifications. To be sold in the US as a load rating C, heat rating B, 10w-30, 10w40, etc., it has to meet specifications set by the Gov't. to be sold or marketed as meeting such requirements. Anything else could be considered "fluff". So yes, I have fallen into the trap that more expensive is better, but is it really? I'm running a Wix filter from the family owned auto parts store here in town (Advance is down the street), and Castrol Power I SAE 10w-40, 4T, Full Synthetic, JASO MA-2, API SL (Whatever that means), from Amazon no less. I suppose I could "go cheap" with the same results. On the other side, I insist on genuine Motorcraft oils and filters for my Ford truck. Used to be a parts and service director at a dealer, I'm brainwashed I guess. I dunno...

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PostSubject: Re: Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open   Oil filter recommendations/ Fram 6017A cut open I_icon_minitimeWed 23 Nov 2016, 02:07

Hi Kenny,
I don't know if "bigger/longer" is actually a waste as John G. says, but since you asked about a longer filter, I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in... I've changed my oil using 10W30 full syn and using a Fram TG7317 filter.  I had seen this recommended at one time and being the new kid on the block as far as two wheeled transportation goes (Jun, 2008), I gave it a try.  As it turned out, the 7317 actually was longer than the OEM unit.  Worried me at first because of the filter wrench I was using.  Anyway, all went well and that's what I've been using on my changes, averaging 7000 miles per change.
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