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PostSubject: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 13, 2012 10:04 pm

Removing a front wheel on 04 silverwing,and the front axle wont come out. I loosend the pinch bolts and the axle bolt,the axle turns but will not come out,am I missing something?
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 13, 2012 10:42 pm

This has bee a problem for others. From what I've read in the pictorial section, people use a screwdriver to wiggle it out. You might want to go to the pictorial section and read for yourself. I believe it also has to come out on the right side.
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 8:42 am

if you have a long skinny punch you can try to knock it out from inside the bolt hole. Just make sure not to damage the threads. You might also consider heating it up with a commercial heat gun (not sure if you should use a torch since the fork lower is aluminum I believe.

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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 10:13 am

dragnframe wrote:
am I missing something?

Yup!!! A bigger hammer!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 10:55 am

Try taking the weight off the front wheel as you pull the axle out.


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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 11:00 am

Lead bead filled rubber mallets work very well without damaging threads.
Be sure to lubricate the axle before putting it back in.
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 11:38 am

Thanks for all the tips. I got the front wheel off the ground and have used a hammer and a punch still nothing. I have never had a axle be this hard. I got a couple more tricks,If they dont work then air hammer will be brought in to duty and will probley have to replace the axle. Is this a common problem on the silver wing?
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 11:40 am

dragnframe wrote:
Is this a common problem on the silver wing?

NO!
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 11:44 am

Umm, I never had one come out this hard. I can turn the axle with a small screw driver but it wont come out. I just asked if it was a problem cause Hi-YO said others have had the same issue.
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 11:55 am

Have to say this is the first that I have been made aware of. I know a few have needed a bit more force but not the lengths you seem to be experiencing!

Things like rear/front wheels and exhaust, I 'fiddle' with at least every year purely because I know they are the most common parts that need removing for wheel changes etc.

Just out of interest have you checked a diagram just in case something obvious has been missed?
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 12:13 pm

No I havent, If you have one you could post I will be more then happy to look at it. I have worked on alot of different bikes,but that doesnt mean I have over looked something or missed something,speaically as ticked off I was last night trying to get it out. LOL. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 12:34 pm

OK, just looked at my manual and I cannot see anything like a circlip or anything that would result in stopping the axles removal. Once the axle nut is removed and the pinch bolts slackened you should (according to the manual), simply pull the axle out!

The axle is tapered to are you trying to remove it the wrong way perhaps?

Sorry if I sound patronising but I'm behind my screen not in front of your bike!!! Not intending to be anything but helpful!
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 1:05 pm

Waspie, You are nothing but helpful and thanks for that. As said before I work on bike often but this is my first silver wing wheel removal and Iam not perfect so I thought maybe before I go to useing alot of brut force I better double check Iam not missing something. I took the axle bolt off the left side,loosed both pinch even took them out by now, and Iam trying to pull axle out of the right side,I say left and right as if you would be sitting on the bike.
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 1:35 pm

I'm wondering if the inner race of one of the wheel bearings has rusted/frozen on to the axle. You might consider unbolting the fork uppers from the steering head, removing the brake caliper and hoses, and taking the whole front assembly to a machine shop to see if they can press it out on a hydraulic press.

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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 2:51 pm

Thats what Iam leaning towards.Iam going to try some stuff tonight but worse case I will have to remove the forks and take it to have it pressed out. Thanks for the help guys!
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 4:18 pm

Good luck and don't forget to let us know the outcome!
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 14, 2012 6:44 pm

GOT IT!!!!!

Man that thing was stuck! This had to be the hardest axle I have ever took out. Toolbox hit with the axle rusted,I had to take a air hammer and drive the axle all the way out,even when the axle was out of the wheel I had to still drive the axle through the fork till it fell on the floor. Does anybody have a diagram of the wheel I think since we are this far Iam going to replace the spacer and bearings along with the new axle. Again thanks for all the help and tips this is a great forum!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 15, 2012 4:58 am

Try this link dragnframe!

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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 15, 2012 5:57 am

I see of that you have problems to remove the front axis I you put what I use for the disassembly with some photos for if I help you in something

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Third party with a key L we slacken another side in order that the central cña remains free and with a few blows with a hammer of rubber it could extract towards the side of the tweezers of brake

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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 15, 2012 6:36 am

Don't forget the smear of grease on the new axle before you fit it !!
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 15, 2012 7:11 am

I suppose you have taken the weight off the wheel
while it is suspended on the axle. this may alleviate
any problems caused by minor burrs where the
bearings run.
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2021 12:38 pm

Reading this thread has posed a couple of questions which I'd like to open to discussion.

Before I got my service manual I would always smear the front axle with grease when reinserting it. The manual doesn't mention this and I suppose that's because the axle doesn't rotate. However, the first time I took the front wheel off for a tyre change, the right-hand-side bearing 'fell out' of the hub all by itself. The axle does show a 'ring' of slight corrosion the exact width of the bearing. I'm just about to put the front wheel back on after another tyre change and the question of greasing the axle made me think further.

The reason the bearing fell out of the hub is because it had been rotating inside the hub. Seized I would imagine; neglected by a previous owner! I bought a new wheel complete with bearings and dust caps fitted and I instinctively lightly greased the existing axle when installing the wheel. Whenever I need to take off the front wheel, the axle slides out nicely by hand.

Should we add an amendment to our service manuals?...or maybe we are all doing this anyway?...is greasing the front axle doing any harm causing other problems? Just a thought  confused
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2021 5:48 pm

In my opinion you absolutely should lightly grease the axle whenever a wheel comes out. It has to slide through the steel wheel spacers, bearing inners and the distance collar within the wheel, and you don't need it sticking to any of those during installation or removal. A little grease at the axle clamp won't do any harm either as it helps the axle find the "relaxed" position in the forks which causes least fork binding. And the bearing dust seals should also have some lithium soap grease applied to the lips which contact the spacers. Just don't get any excess grease onto the discs or pads.
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 26, 2021 6:21 am

Back in my motorcycling days I used to regularly put a light smear of grease on the wheel axles of all of the MZ's and BMW's I owned. Both makes had easily removed front and rear wheel axles and that film of grease made all the difference. Especially as I was riding all year round and they salt and grit the roads in winter months.

A bit of salt corrosion can make non greased wheel axles really difficult to remove.

So should I remove and grease the wheel axles of my 3 year old Forza. I might if I had the correct torque settings for reference and had nothing better to do. Or I'll stick to my usual winter regime of trying to avoid salted roads unless I'm forced to ride them, and wash and thoroughly blow dry the scooter every time I've been out.
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PostSubject: Re: Front axle wont come out.   Front axle wont come out. I_icon_minitimeSat Nov 27, 2021 3:41 am

Well, the wheel is back in place. All lightly greased, rotating smoothly.

Salted roads?...my pet hate. I vowed never to ride on them unless it's an emergency. I don't mind winter riding but those salted roads.....GGRRRRRR!
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