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PostSubject: handle bar shaking when hands-off   handle bar shaking when hands-off I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 17, 2011 5:14 am

Hi All
great to see a dedicated Silverwing forum (i call mine Honda VFA - Very Fast Armchair)
its a 2006 400cc Honda Silverwing.
im its second owner, bought it a month ago with 26K km on it.
as soon as i got it i replaced the original IRC tires with a pair of Pirelli Diablo Scooter.

and now for the question -

while riding and handling - it seems to be fine, everything is ok and no shakes / rattles or anything is felt, yet, when going 30-40 km/h, if i leave the handle bars, it starts to get wobbly and shake.
is this normal? should i be concerned about it?


thanks


Ron.

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PostSubject: Re: handle bar shaking when hands-off   handle bar shaking when hands-off I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 17, 2011 6:03 am

Hello, Ron, and welcome!

Love the 'VFA' bit.

Hands-off wobble seems to be something that some bikes suffer from and others not.
If you do a SEARCH you'll find stuff about it and no doubt members will pass on their solutions in due course.

I hope you've found DennisB's shop - lots of superb custom-made goodies (no gimics, though) for Swingers to buy and worth every cent/penny/shekel. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: handle bar shaking when hands-off   handle bar shaking when hands-off I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 17, 2011 7:21 am

Hi Ron
I had this many years ago on my motorcycle. It happened at 28-30 mph which was very annoying and only happened with one brand of tyre. At that time it was thought to be because of the lack of a straight groove down the centre of the front tyre. Check your tyre pressures and front wheel bearings. Maybe try a little extra pressure in the front tyre to see if it makes a difference
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PostSubject: Re: handle bar shaking when hands-off   handle bar shaking when hands-off I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 17, 2011 8:26 am

Hi Ron, My best guess would be tire being a little out of balance or wheel bearings starting to go bad.

Well there you have it. My best guess.
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PostSubject: Re: handle bar shaking when hands-off   handle bar shaking when hands-off I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 17, 2011 12:50 pm

Honda suggests 1. Wheel bearing play 2. Bent rim 3. Improper installation of the wheel 4. Swing arm pivot bearing wear 5. Bent frame.

You may have a loose steering stem bearing. Adjustment on a few previous bikes corrected the headshake problem. I owed a GL1500 that was loose enough to feel the play while holding the front brake and rocking, or compressing the front forks.

Take a look at the video below for a simple test and the fix for the wobble.

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1401175502815

The adjustment for the Silverwing can be found in the repair manual section 14, page 30 in the FSC600 Service Manual. Honda suggests using a spring scale to test the preload but I found the test in the video is sufficient for diagnoses.


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PostSubject: Re: handle bar shaking when hands-off   handle bar shaking when hands-off I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 17, 2011 1:28 pm

That is very useful information....THANKS for posting this...billc.
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PostSubject: Re: handle bar shaking when hands-off   handle bar shaking when hands-off I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 17, 2011 5:32 pm

Hi Guys,
thank you all for the info, the movie on facebook really helps - i will check this tomorrow, as i thought that this is really nothing, but it may be something worth fixing.


prior buying my Swing, i took it for a complete check at a special shop who expert in these things - they say that the Swing head bearing has a little "step" in the middle of its movement.
Could it be related?
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PostSubject: Re: handle bar shaking when hands-off   handle bar shaking when hands-off I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 17, 2011 9:15 pm

A little step-----often problem years ago with Japanese bikes= notch as you turn bars side to side with wheel off ground.

Makes riding real slow difficult---could be part of your head shake problem, but check tires/wheels/load in top box also/swing arm bearings.

Are wheels on right?

John Grinsel
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PostSubject: Re: handle bar shaking when hands-off   handle bar shaking when hands-off I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 17, 2011 10:31 pm

Great video explaining how to check and adjust the stem bearing! Nifty skull-motif headlight on that V-Max too!

Those bikes are the motorcycle equivalent of a GTO or Charger or something. -All muscle, crap for suspension/handling performance. =)
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