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PostSubject: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeFri May 24, 2024 3:14 pm

So I started my bike and normal to get to work and it was fine but then I noticed that my license plate was hanging I turned off the bike so I can open my glove compartments and when I try to turn the bike back on it just wouldn't turn over. No spinning of the starter no nothing but the clicking noise of the headlight turning on and off when I try to ignite. Batteries completely normal as well at 14.5 volts and out of curiosity tried jumping it and it made no difference anyway.
I checked all the wiring it seems mostly okay for what I can see on the outside no internal inspection yet. I checked all of the fuses and they all seem okay. The fuel pump makes its a little normal whine when I turn the key. I'm wondering if the starter motor is damaged. What do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeFri May 24, 2024 3:25 pm

Any chance it is a problem with the left brake handle switch, which does not allow your bike to start? I assume it would be unusual to have it run and then not but I would probably start with some thing easier before assuming it is the starter motor.
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeFri May 24, 2024 3:38 pm

Erdoc48 wrote:
Any chance it is a problem with the left brake handle switch, which does not allow your bike to start? I assume it would be unusual to have it run and then not but I would probably start with some thing easier before assuming it is the starter motor.
I'm using aftermarket brake handles so that that removes that limitation. (Maybe I should check that wireing On the handlebar left brake) I did splice the wires together a long time back so that I can use regular brake handles.
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeSat May 25, 2024 4:30 pm

After leaving it alone for a day and doing absolutely nothing with it I came back today and it started up like clockwork as it always does. Turned it off waited a second turned it back on and it  works just fine turned it off again and waited a little longer and now it doesn't start up again but the starter engine sounds completely normal and fine I wonder what it could be? I checked the wiring near the handlebar and everything looks fine up there. The clicking noise that it makes is near the middle part of the bike.



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This solenoid is clicking, but the fuse is fine
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeSat May 25, 2024 6:16 pm

battery age? charging system?
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeSat May 25, 2024 6:24 pm

john grinsel wrote:
battery age? charging system?
Brand new lithium ion battery (NLP14) installed this February, stock charging system I guess?
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeSat May 25, 2024 9:40 pm

Check the kill switch been there done that.
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeSun May 26, 2024 12:59 am

Just a thought on my end. Could it be the kickstand switch?
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeSun May 26, 2024 3:46 am

Sorry if I missed this point in the above but; is the clicking noise the starter motor solenoid struggling to make contact?
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeSun May 26, 2024 6:07 pm

I replaced the solenoid today and the issue still persist so I guess it wasn't that, I also checked the kickstand protection circuit and it's working fine if I move it the clicking stops in the bike will not even attempt to turn on same thing with the kill switch circuit which is all operational. All fuses seem to be okay. I heard of someone taking a soft rubber mallet and tapping near the starter motor to see if it's seizing up and for that person he was able to detect that the starter engine was failing
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeSun May 26, 2024 6:36 pm

I just thought of this. What about the cable connections to the battery and starter- sometimes the best fix is the cheap (or free) one. If not nice and tight, you may not have enough current flow to trigger the starter.
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeSun May 26, 2024 6:53 pm

Welp as that YouTube video said, I just took apart the bike down to the and tapped the engine area with a rubber mallet and it started right up. Oh boy. Must I replace it or might it need liberating?

Hitting this also let's it start too
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeMon May 27, 2024 6:29 am

If you tapped it with a mallet and it starts, it indicates the likelihood of a bad electrical connection to the starter if under other circumstances it starts and runs well. Before tearing it all down and possibly replacing parts that don’t need replacing, start with the simpler stuff first- check your cable connections, even taking them off, shooting some CRC QD or equivalent electrical contact cleaner spray on them to remove oxidation, and reconnect. It may need a starter I guess, but I would say this is less likely for a Honda. How many miles on your Silverwing?
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeMon May 27, 2024 3:59 pm

Erdoc48 wrote:
If you tapped it with a mallet and it starts, it indicates the likelihood of a bad electrical connection to the starter if under other circumstances it starts and runs well. Before tearing it all down and possibly replacing parts that don’t need replacing, start with the simpler stuff first- check your cable connections, even taking them off, shooting some CRC QD or equivalent electrical contact cleaner spray on them to remove oxidation, and reconnect. It may need a starter I guess, but I would say this is less likely for a Honda. How many miles on your Silverwing?

I have about 25,000 mi on it
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PostSubject: Re: bike won't start after turning it on and off   bike won't start after turning it on and off I_icon_minitimeFri May 31, 2024 5:04 pm

Should I try oiling it first before buying a new one or should I just replace it and be done with it?
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Try oiling what? More investigation is needed before just ordering and replacing parts. Just friendly advice, that’s all.
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Erdoc48 wrote:
Try oiling what? More investigation is needed before just ordering and replacing parts. Just friendly advice, that’s all.

I don't know, I never got that deep In the bike before. I don't know what I'm looking for or at but I see the motor online. I assume there's gears that might need lubricate that could be stuck
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