Clutch Question

Picked up a 2004 silver Silver Wing last week. It came with nice extras like a new Honda belt, new Malossi variator + rollers and new Malossi clutch.

I cracked open the CVT case last night at 21,700 miles. Definitely needs a belt. This one is original. I've done several Silver Wing belts and rollers/sliders so I'm fine with that (a sturdy universal variator holding tool also came with my purchase). I am thinking I'll install the Malossi variator and 24-gram rollers.

However, I never did anything with the clutch on a Silver Wing and that's my question. Or questions:

From reading this forum, it looks like I can engage the parking brake, loosen the nut and pull out the entire clutch assembly to clean and sand the pads with Emery cloth or fine sandpaper if needed. First question: is that sentence correct?

Second question: as long as I have a new Malossi clutch, is there an easy way to swap it out with the OEM? Four or five bolts? I don't have any special tools for the clutch, and with no experience, I am looking for "easy" or I simply won't install it. eBay is a good option.

(NOTE: I have a separate post offering these and other Malossi goodies for sale. I had a full price offer but the guy said his other bike just cost him $1,000 in surprise repairs so he backed out. Next best offer was $250. Nah, that's an insult. I may as well keep it all, enjoy enhanced performance and add to the value of the bike if I sell it. Tim: if you still want the white Malossi torque spring, I will mail it to you, gratis, in appreciation for the help you provide to so many here. Just PM me the address)

Thank you in advance for info and insights.

Hi Delray.
In answer to your first question, the sentence is correct, once you remove the drive belt. I would also emery the clutch bell.
Second question, just remove the 6 bolts holding the OEM clutch on and swap for the Molossi fly, if the bell is not to badly scored(obviously a new bell would be preferred with a new clutch, and special tools would be needed to swap bells).
There are plenty of alternative ways to remove the bell without the OEM tools, just search Clutch tools in the search bar.

Hope this helps you....


Be safe, be seen!


Ps. Read my post entitled Malossi white 17Kg contra spring, search Malossi white.

That Driven Pulley nut is only torqued to 40 lbs ft so it's easy to remove. If the parking brake doesn’t hold tight enough you can always zip tie the rear brake lever. Easy peasy.

I’ve flipped the Driven Pulley over and held it in a Workmate “vise” to remove those 6 bolts holding the clutch assembly.

You're clutch, JohnyC. Very helpful tips, thanks. Just bought some emery cloth and I'm eager to crack the case.

Avoided a likely dealer tab today of $1,200 to $1,500 and installed a new Malossi variator with 24-gram rollers, new Malossi clutch and a new Honda belt.

Job was straightforward and made easier with good info and tips from this forum. Great feeling to start the bike and see everything running beautifully. Took it for a short test ride but I'll give the new belt 100 miles to get settled in before I push it to see what the fancy Italian parts can do.

Apologies if a stupid question…how long should a clutch last on a Silverwing? Mine is low mileage (I think 7300 miles at this time) but I was just wondering about the longevity of a clutch in a centrifugal clutch arrangement. My 2 ST1100s have the original clutches and grab fine but those are standard 5 speed motorcycles.

I don't have an answer for clutch life on the Silver Wing. I can offer an anecdotal example, namely a photo of my clutch at 21,800 miles. If I kept it, I'd de-glaze the pads and eventually replace them -- my bike was grabbing just fine, too. Only reason I switched clutches was the Malossi high performance unit came with the bike, and since I was in there changing the belt anyway ....

Very good- thanks for the information as well as the picture (there’s lots of clutch pad present which makes me think you can easily get 50K out of the clutches)- I was watching a YT video regarding removal of the clutch due to squeaking - just one statement the narrator made was that in production, Honda may have under greased the needle bearings at the rear hub (in the clutch assembly)- is that a known issue? I don’t really want to tear into everything again being that I swapped my belt and rollers for sliders a couple of months ago- any need to be concerned for re-greasing that area?

Thank you.

Answer for Erdoc48,

I would also point you to my post I listed to Delray above. The reason being if you look at the pictures of my clutch assembly you will see the needle rollers in mine were very black from getting hot despite the grease on view, there is also evidence the original bearing had not been pushed in far enough in production. Luckily the shaft showed no signs of burning and the bearing has been replaced and seated correctly.
So in my opinion, for how long it takes, CHECK THE GREASE! mine had less than 20k on the clock.

Hope this helps.

Be safe, be seen!

Ps. search Malossi White (17Kgs) in the search bar.

VERY good to know…thanks very much!

I just looked at the pics- they were pretty blackened and shot- oh well, I have the appropriate tools, so off to work I go (well, tomorrow)!

Just an addendum- took it all apart today…bearings nice and smooth but checked the clutch pads and cleaned everything anyway and liberally applied the red lithium grease (NLG2) to the bearings before reinstallation. I then swapped my coolant (which was not in bad condition at all for 20 years of age, but again, only 7300 miles on it). I feel better having checked vs waiting and hoping there wasn’t an issue.

"I feel better having checked vs waiting and hoping there wasn’t an issue."

Definitely a preferable feeling ....

When I changed my oil last week, after I cleaned the drain bolt and screen, I set the screen on top of the bolt and placed the spring over it, just to keep everything together. But without thinking I placed the screen back in the engine that way, resting on the bolt, instead of hanging on top of the spring like a basketball net.

I'm guessing it's no big deal and could wait until the next oil change, but I don't want to hope there's not an issue. No doubt there are Silver Wings running around with no screens at all. But in case this keeps bugging me, or if someone here sounds an alarm, I bought a new oil filter. I already have Pro Honda GN4 oil for the next oil change.

If I change oil now to correct the screen, why buy a new filter when it was changed just last week? Because I don't want to mix Motul 10W40 in there now with Honda 10W40 I will put in -- again, probably fine, but I don't want to hope it's not an issue.

Meanwhile, the fun stuff ....

I gave my new Malossi clutch a test tonight after 50 smooth, easy miles of letting the clutch, new belt, variator and rollers get acquainted.

Not kidding when I say I had to look at the dash a few times to remind myself I was riding a Silver Wing. Totally different bike. It's a sport bike now with the comforts of a touring scooter. The Malossi Wild Lion exhaust has a great growl from key-on to key-off. Power delivery is smooth and instant with no lag at any speed. When you want power, it's there. This is a blessing and a curse. It's exhilarating to zip from Point A to Point B faster, but it's easy to quickly reach the point where you feel the bike's suspension, tire size and handling are not exactly high-performance.

At speed, the engine is running 500 rpm's higher than the OEM parts, now using 24 gram Malossi rollers. The rpm at 50 mph = 4,500 ... 60 mph = 5,000 ... 70 mph = 5500. Seventy is about as fast as I'll go.

Tomorrow, new front brake pads arrive and that will be my final update-the-maintenance task. I added my signature touch to the nose of the bike, a Honda logo (photo). All six of my Silver Wings had that. You can find them under "Marks" in parts diagrams, less than $5.00. Usually I put them on the cowling, but with the silver paint, the white letters needed a dark background. I'm proud to show the world I'm riding a Honda.