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gklugie
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PostSubject: New swing owner first post   New swing owner   first post I_icon_minitimeSun Aug 04, 2019 12:09 am

I bought a used non-running 2006 swing this week .... no key.... not much information. I need to get a key somehow, and see why it wont run. Hoping for some help and advice.
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PostSubject: Re: New swing owner first post   New swing owner   first post I_icon_minitimeSun Aug 04, 2019 7:31 am

Welcome to the board gklugie. There is a lot of good info and people here to help, the no key may be resolved by a good locksmith if your lucky. I only received one with mine and had 3 extra made, 2 bucks a piece.
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PostSubject: Re: New swing owner first post   New swing owner   first post I_icon_minitimeSun Aug 04, 2019 9:34 pm

If your Swing has the Honda HISS immobiliser fitted (I believe all UK bikes have, I don't know about the USA ones) it is more complicated than just turning the key switch (or hot wiring it).  

The HISS keys are electronically coded to the specific bike.  You need an existing HISS key (or key number) for that bike in order to have a new key coded correctly.   Without that the bike won't start even if you have turned the switch.

From the Swing Manual:
'The keys contain electronic circuits that are activated by the immobiliser system (HISS).'

"If all keys are lost, the PGM-FI unit/ignition control module must be replaced.'

If you have HISS and no keys, unless you have the 'key number plate' (a small rectangular piece of metal with a tiny square hole it, containing a record of the bike's key code), or can track down the Honda dealer who first sold the bike and get the code number from them, I think you are, unfortunately, in for a big expense.
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PostSubject: Re: New swing owner first post   New swing owner   first post I_icon_minitimeSun Aug 04, 2019 11:08 pm

Thank you fellows. I pulled my ignition switch today. Tomorrow i plan to visit a locksmith and/or Honda dealer.
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PostSubject: Re: New swing owner first post   New swing owner   first post I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 05, 2019 7:35 pm

According to a post on this thread - https://www.silverwing600.com/t7397-programming-new-hiss-keys-on-honda?highlight=HISS - US Swings don't have the HISS system. So it seems I may have worried you unnecessarily. Apologies.

If you don't have a HISS immobiliser, it should be reasonably straightforward.
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PostSubject: Key problem solved   New swing owner   first post I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2019 7:46 am

I took the ignition switch to a Honda dealer. I now have a key. Now waiting for a battery to arrive from amazon.
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PostSubject: Re: New swing owner first post   New swing owner   first post I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2019 1:08 pm

Just curious; were the numbers on the cubby lock and ignition lock the same or similar? Could you have gotten an ignition key from Honda using that cubby lock?
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PostSubject: Re: New swing owner first post   New swing owner   first post I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2019 1:23 pm

The numbers on the cubby lock had 3 characters. A locksmith and Honda dod not recognize these characters as belonging to an key codes. I ended up having the locksmith manufacturing a key to fit this cylinder. The ignition assembly had a 5 character code (cleverly hidden against the steering post so that the assembly needed to be totally removed in order to see the characters). I took the ignition cylinder to Honda, and they produced a key from that 5 character code.
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