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PostSubject: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 03, 2017 11:20 am

My overhaul and repaint of my swing is complete!

I tightened the rear wheel main axle nut to 102lftlb torque as instructed by the maintenance manual. When I went to take it off, I could tell the Honda dealer used an impact wrench to put that nut on, thats what it took to get it off.

Is there any regards to over-tightening it? 102lbs of foot torque doesnt seem like a lot - but what do I know? Also, I thought I saw some redness on the threads, which leads me to believe someone at some point used some Loctite (thread lock) on there.

Should I toss some Loctite on that main axle drive threads and retighten?

Whats the hive mind say?
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 03, 2017 12:56 pm

I always use Thread Locker or Locktite on wheel nut Gustafa
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 03, 2017 1:44 pm

Old Limey wrote:
I always use Thread Locker or Locktite  on wheel nut Gustafa

Thank you, I figured I would put some on, its the main thing you dont want coming undone after all LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 03, 2017 4:38 pm

Isn't that a self locking nut?
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 03, 2017 5:46 pm

john grinsel wrote:
Isn't that a self locking nut?

Seems to me that if it were a self locking nut it would need to be replaced with a new one each time the nut was removed. Wouldn't removing the nut destroy the self-locking bits?
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 03, 2017 6:36 pm

Though it is a "nylock" style nut It does not qualify as a real a "self-locker", and at 102 lbf·ft if it were it would certainly be a "replace with new at each disassembly" part. As to thread locker I do not use any as it is not subject to high levels of higher frequency vibration--in fact other than the clamping force requirements, tended to by its diameter and pitch, it is a rather light duty fastening.

A lot of mechanics apply thread locker to everything, mostly because they are unsure and err on the side of caution. If it were needed the FSM would say so...

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Here's a real single use self-locker with a swaged collar:

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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 03, 2017 8:12 pm

Gustafa wrote:
My overhaul and repaint of my swing is complete!

I tightened the rear wheel main axle nut to 102lftlb torque as instructed by the maintenance manual. When I went to take it off, I could tell the Honda dealer used an impact wrench to put that nut on, thats what it took to get it off.

Is there any regards to over-tightening it? 102lbs of foot torque doesnt seem like a lot - but what do I know? Also, I thought I saw some redness on the threads, which leads me to believe someone at some point used some Loctite (thread lock) on there.

Should I toss some Loctite on that main axle drive threads and retighten?

Whats the hive mind say?

Hi Gustafa, A properly torqued Fastener does not require any Locktite or thread locker to remain tight. Use a suitable wood Dowel thru the wheel as a back up while you apply that Torque to your nut. A shovel handle would serve the Purpose, Carefull that the back up does not destroy your valve stem. Heat releases most thread lockers and the temperature of the rear axle at highway speeds is sufficient to render that thread locking product useless. Happy Motoring Lloyd 193. swing
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 03, 2017 8:36 pm

I'm with the no-thread- locker brigade but after torquing, I apply a blob of white correction fluid to the nut/swing-arm as a "creep" mark indicator.
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 03, 2017 9:03 pm

Based on 90,000 plus miles with 2 new SilverWings...rear axle nut has not been a problem for me. I do not worry about it. Just carry proper socket should rear wheel have to come off---tire problem, etc on trip.
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Based on 90,000 plus miles with 2 new SilverWings...rear axle nut has not been a problem for me. I do not worry about it. Just carry proper socket should rear wheel have to come off---tire problem, etc on trip.
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 04, 2017 12:43 pm

Gustafa wrote:
My overhaul and repaint of my swing is complete!

I tightened the rear wheel main axle nut to 102lftlb torque as instructed by the maintenance manual. When I went to take it off, I could tell the Honda dealer used an impact wrench to put that nut on, thats what it took to get it off.

Is there any regards to over-tightening it? 102lbs of foot torque doesnt seem like a lot - but what do I know? Also, I thought I saw some redness on the threads, which leads me to believe someone at some point used some Loctite (thread lock) on there.

Should I toss some Loctite on that main axle drive threads and retighten?

Whats the hive mind say?

Gustafa, We would like to see some photos of your project, Bet it looks great.

Happy motoring Lloyd 193. swing
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 04, 2017 9:08 pm

120 foot pounds is a lot. Bigger the bolt-axle more pressure.
Other bikes have much lower torque than that on axle nuts.
No lock tight needed.
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PostSubject: Re: Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite?   Rear wheel main axle nut - loctite? I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 04, 2017 9:27 pm

Mech 1 twa wrote:
120 foot pounds  is a lot. Bigger the bolt-axle more pressure.
Other bikes have much lower torque than that on axle nuts.
No lock tight needed.

102 lb·ft, however I agree...
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