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PostSubject: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:26 pm

I am asking for feedback from forum members on a small issue with my Wing.

At 10945 KM (here in Canada we use metric) I decided to change the drive belt due to time and unknown storage conditions that may have existed with the previous owner.

After opening up the rear drive I serviced the clutch, variator, and cleaned up all components. Rollers hardy showed any wear at all.

The variator sheave that moves, the inner one, showed no wear at all, yet the fixed sheave, the outer one, shows what I consider wear. I have uploaded an image to my OneDrive and am including the link so that you can have a look at it, and give me any opinions on the wear, be it normal or otherwise.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Ags0n2CJN4h4qlyzXqWjSfvKRU_7

I thank all of those who can take the time to have a look and provide feedback.
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:52 pm

Holy cow, that's bad. Real bad. Dunno what would cause that kind of wear. What did the belt contact surface look like. It almost appears that the sheave was machined that way. Any way you can find out the history of the scoot from the prevoius owner or dealer?

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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:32 am

I would replace both sides of the pulleys including the center bushing.
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:16 am

I had to replace my outer drive pulley on my 09 at 30 k kl. there is no need to replace the centre bushing ,that don't ware out . my new pulley has no groves after 65k kl .a good time to replace the rollers with 24 grams Dr pulley sliders.Big difference,they don't ware out like rollers .
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:55 am

No idea, what did the belt look like? at 15 K mine were both smooth.
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:58 pm

I will be odd man out here. The Silver Wing shop manual does not as I can find list a limit for face wear on the CVT pulleys so I will reference the spec Suzuki provides for their 400 Burgman.--which is 0.4 mm or 0.020".

20 "thousandths" is quite a bit when you are looking at a wear groove, so place straight edge across the face of the pulley and "see what you got". I put over 65,000 miles on a 400 Burgman and reached about 0.015" grooving--IMHO it would have gone 100k and have still been serviceable...


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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:41 am

I really can't tell much from the picture without a straight edge laid across it. I'd use a good steel straight edge and some narrow or wire type feeler gauges and see what's what. 6800 miles isn't much at all for that pulley. Mainly I think we're looking at discolorations more than roughness. If it were my bike, I'd put it back together and hold the new belt until you got a lot more miles on the original. If you search in the forum here you'll see how to correctly measure the wear on the belt. Myself I wouldn't even bother on a belt with so few miles. Button her up and go riding.
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:03 am

^^^This...
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:14 pm

Thanks to all who took the time to read my post and view the image. I appreciate your feedback.

I have ordered up a fixed sheave from my local Honda dealer (relatively inexpensive at about $45.00) and will change it when it arrives. It is shown as backordered until September though, so I will continue to drive my Wing until it arrives and if need, install another new belt at that time.
I will post an image of the existing sheave as a comparison, to see if there is further wear on it, once I change it out with the new part.
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:55 pm

Any chance you can post a side view pix of that sheave with a straight-edge on it? That'd sure show wear grooves.
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:38 am

Seams to me that Honda dealer have been back order,s is very common common this past yr.It took 3 weeks plus to received my OEM drive belt. My prevues belt from Partzila took about a week and was $20. cheaper then the local honda dealer.  My friend's  Burgman 650 has been sitting at a dealer waiting 6 weeks for his drive belt at a cost o $ 669.00 + taxes not counting the labour cost. It's a common practice to wait more then 4 weeks to get parts for scooters in this country .
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:49 am

tinman wrote:
It's a common practice to wait more then 4 weeks to get parts for scooters in this country .

Geez 4 weeks, 6 weeks parts wait  Shocked  Given an Ontario location, it seems that someone could walk to Buffalo or Detroit and pick up the part at a (US) mail box within that time.


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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:00 am

The honda dealers and suzuki dealers as far as scooters as concern honda canada head suppliers figure that there is no swing available since 09 .No one stocks any parts any more. Partzila has the fastest dilvery time.
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:59 pm

The drive system on the B650 is why I sold mine. There have been several with transmission failures which cost north of $3000 to repair. Add to that the local Suzuki dealer doesn't to repairs to transmissions but told me I'd have to ship it over 300 miles South to California to a shop that would do it. The B650 has a very complex, electrically controlled CVT not centrifugally operated like all the others. I believe the failure rate is pretty small but not if you're one of those whose does. Anyway I sold the B650 for my second SW. Even my 'expensive' BMW's drive spare belt only cost me $95.00 plus a few dollars shipping from Italy. It's not much more difficult to change than the SW either.
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PostSubject: Re: 09 FSC600A variator pulley wear   Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:45 pm

I rode a Burgman 400 for 5 years (65k+ miles) and when the upsize bug hit purposely avoided the B650 in favour of the SW--for the reasons "exavid" stated.

B650 CVT failures, especially on the '03 to '05 models, are actually rather common once they reach 60k to 80k miles-- however even the newer ones are affected. The number of incidents is somewhat low because don't get that king of mileage put on them; but if you reach 80k you are riding a $3500 wallet bomb armed and ticking...
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