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PostSubject: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Fri 14 Sep 2012, 10:56

Hi All,

I’m a newbie here as I’ve just picked up my shiny new SWing last week. As I live in mainland Europe, I had a great ride over to run-in the engine on the 650 mile trip last Sunday.

However, I’ve already got a technical question, which I hope has a simple fix:-

The digital MFD odometer is presently showing in ‘Miles’, however, over here we use Kilometres Embarassed and I’d like to change it over.
[Naturally there’s no problem with the analogue Speedometer, marked in mph and kmph!]

As the entire MFD is a digital display, it is not a simple software change….??

Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated.

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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Fri 14 Sep 2012, 11:02

You're out of luck. They're not reprogrammable. You need a new metric meter panel.
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Fri 14 Sep 2012, 11:34

Too bad the bike and car divisions are not more closely integrated. My S2000 car has a mile/km button for the entire cluster, both speed and distance.

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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Fri 14 Sep 2012, 15:59

Steve
Welcome to the forum. welcome welcome welcome
As rollsroyce250 said they are not re-programmable.
frustrated
Steve, may I ask is your Silverwing a new 2012 ? If so could you tell me the color and what the 10th digit in it's serial number is? To understand why I ask see this post, http://www.silverwing600.com/t5343-where-does-the-silverwing-come-from#50157
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Fri 14 Sep 2012, 22:14

Steve

I had same problem, just opposite way. I got my scooter from Canada and I'm in US. Canadian version has km/h

It was long discusion on the forum
I was trying to find the way how to switch from km to miles
I received a lot of help from SW gurus, unfortunately no luck

Both speedometer and speed sensor are the same part number in US and Canada, it means it is just software
If you look at different angles at odometer - you can even see both words km and miles
I was calling Honda headquarters in US, guys contacted few dealers in Canada, no luck - Honda doesn't want to tell how to switch between km/miles

Maybe we just have to send each other speedometers at winter time
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Fri 14 Sep 2012, 22:35

Steve, welcome to the forum. As stated earlier, there was quite a discussion on speedometers. If you go to the search function and enter speedometer you can see it. As I recall, there were lots of comments, but no cure. Maybe someone has come up with a solution since then. If you find one, please let us know.
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Sat 15 Sep 2012, 07:37

Hello Steve,

hope you find a solution (not an expensive one) and post it on the forum.

Cheers,
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Sat 15 Sep 2012, 09:30

Interesting that a European i.e. not UK model should be in mph, it seems that Honda do not tailor the machines to the market they are aimed at. Quite a surprise !
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Sat 15 Sep 2012, 10:24

Reading between the lines I think Steve bought his Silverwing in the UK.
The mainland European models have the speedo in kilometres only - the UK ones have both MPH and KM marked on the dial as a rule (as he said).
I have to overcome the problem when I move back - I'm not worried about the odometer in KMs but I don't think the bike will pass the MOT with only KMs on the speedo.....although I know the equivilents now.
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Sat 15 Sep 2012, 14:47

Lings do list a speedo head in mph but you will want to sit down and find an alternative when you read the price ---£782 !!!!
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Sat 15 Sep 2012, 17:14

Looked at a few MOT sites (including the official one) and no mention of an odometer anywhere. Speedos have to read both mph and kph but odometer cant be checked anyway.
A friend of mine had a Mini Cooper, the first time I saw it was in 1974 and the odometer reading was 80000, today the odometer reading is 80000. But it passes every MOT without a problem.

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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Sun 16 Sep 2012, 12:54

tarmacburner2 wrote:

A friend of mine had a Mini Cooper, the first time I saw it was in 1974 and the odometer reading was 80000, today the odometer reading is 80000. But it passes every MOT without a problem.

Cheers,

He was a lot more lucky than me -- I had a vanilla Mini of about the same vintage -- the odometer died at regular 2800 mile intervals. I can understand why he has not corrected the problem -- it seems that BMC started the assembly line with the speedo because it is so difficult to remove. As I remember, the entire induction system had to come off to gain access to the back of the cluster.

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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Mon 17 Sep 2012, 04:39

Hi again everyone, it seems I’ve hit on a well known subject and apologise that I did not fully research it on the site beforehand.

I must confess to being a little surprised (even slightly disappointed) that Honda can’t integrate this into the MFD as standard. Previously, I’ve just sold my Kawasaki ZX-10R and it had a digital display that could simply change the speedometer and odometer on the Mode Select button. I foolishly assumed this would be a ‘standard’ for all modern bikes, especially those with digital instrumentation (MFD) and from the flagship brand, Honda. Do they not realise people go touring in Europe or in the North American Continent?

Before I go any further, I should perhaps just add a little detail and clear up any confusion here concerning which type I actually have:-
I am a U.K. citizen and now live and work in Switzerland. Before changing to the SWing, I did my research and was not surprised to see a price difference of about 20% between a U.K. or Swiss purchase. I also know that the Swiss import process is fairly straight-forward and can purchase the bike on a U.K. Personal Export Scheme and bought the bike VAT free (as Switzerland is not in the EU). The only definite requirements by the Swiss is to have a speedo in Kmph, headlights in the right direction (N/A on the SWing), and a EC Conformity Certificate. The only grey area is whether the odometer also must be in Km, but understand from others that this is not mandatory. Anyway, I’ll only find out for sure when the initial inspection is performed in the next couple of weeks.
So I have a ‘U.K. Spec’ bike – on miles, in Europe!

I did go back to my U.K. Dealer last Saturday, and he said it would cost £740 to change the MFD for kilometres. As the installation is probably a nightmare, I shall keep my fingers firmly crossed that I don’t need to change it. On the other hand, if some enterprising software hacker could find a solution, I would be interested!

Anyway, having got that off my chest, I have absolutely no other gripe with my new pride and joy – a great ride!!



Hi Roger, in answer to your Post:-

My SilverWing is, of course, Silver.

The 10th Digit of the VIN is ‘7’, which I believe is the correct ‘year model’ when the SWing was last updated by Honda.
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Mon 17 Sep 2012, 09:44

Changing the speedo / display is not all that difficult assuming that one is of the DIY persuasion. The big expense is in the cost of the part.

There is a way to change the display from Km to Mph but Honda won't part with that info.

But given that Swiss law is so finicky about the Km/Mph thing then perhaps there is some local gray market hacker who has figured out how to accomplish this. After all, the circuit board is the same for both versions of the MFD

Please keep us posted
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Tue 18 Sep 2012, 06:43

Without going into details, I have discovered that it is acceptable for me to 'stick' an overlay with MPH marked in the correct places on my speedo in order for it to satisfy the requirements of the MOT test......thank goodness!
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PostSubject: Re: MFD Odometer software change - Miles to Km?   Tue 18 Sep 2012, 20:51

MikeO wrote:
..... 'stick' an overlay with MPH marked in the correct places on my speedo ....

Nice! Simple! Thanks!
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