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compguy Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 69 Age: 65 Location: Lakeland, Fla Points: 704 Registration date: 2010-10-11
 | Subject: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:12 am | |
| My '10 now makes a metal dragging sound when I start off slow. When I push it and do a quick start there is no problem. Also it seems when the scooter gets warmed up that it will stop doing it. As far as performance there is nothing. |
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Daboo Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 191 Location: Seattle, WA Points: 1105 Registration date: 2009-12-08
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:33 am | |
| Where is the noise coming from? It sounds like your disk brakes might be causing the sound. If so, that's normal.
Chris |
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jdeereanton Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1767 Age: 74 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 3058 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:50 pm | |
| | compguy wrote: | | My '10 now makes a metal dragging sound when I start off slow. When I push it and do a quick start there is no problem. Also it seems when the scooter gets warmed up that it will stop doing it. As far as performance there is nothing. |
Keith,
It is a little hard to figure out exactly what problem you are describing. Sorry about the lack of performance?
If Daboo has correctly guessed - this might be a good thread to read.
http://www.silverwing600.com/t2050-disc-brake-drag?highlight=brakes+drag
I found it by using the search box and typed in the words "brake" and "drag". Got many results, this seemed like the best thread. |
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"Hi Yo" Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts: 861 Age: 63 Location: North Texas Points: 1836 Registration date: 2010-02-17
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:01 pm | |
| I would also make sure the parking brake is fully disengaged. I would set it and disengage it a couole of times. I seem to remember someone having theirs partially set. I know I've tried to ride with mine fully set. Old age is hell, or so Opelsboy tells me. |
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toolboxjesse Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 180 Age: 39 Location: Atlanta, GA Points: 601 Registration date: 2011-05-13
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:47 am | |
| I think it's the same whirring that we all get.
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compguy Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 69 Age: 65 Location: Lakeland, Fla Points: 704 Registration date: 2010-10-11
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:48 am | |
| Sorry you misunderstood me what I meant was there is no lack of performance at all.
After listening more now I've decided it is sort of a belt sqeeling sound sort of like it's slipping then takes hold. I have 18,000 miles on the scoot and had the belt changed at 15,000. I guess when I'm starting off quickly that I'm forcing the belt to engage immediately and so there is no sound. I'm not thinking it's really serious after all. And it's possible due to the fact I have a hearing loss and my hearing aids have been sent off for repair (witch will take a month) so It's possible it might have been doing it all along and I didn't hear it. One of the problems with my hearing aids was some sounds were blocked.
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eddy Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 130 Age: 61 Location: Europe Flanders. Points: 1056 Registration date: 2009-11-27
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:08 am | |
| When acceleration from zero you hear a turkey?
No worries.. In every Silverwing lives a turkey.
It's just the clutch pads friction material , slipping against the clutch bell.
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jdeereanton Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1767 Age: 74 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 3058 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:12 pm | |
| | compguy wrote: | ... After listening more now I've decided it is sort of a belt sqeeling sound sort of like it's slipping then takes hold. I have 18,000 miles on the scoot and had the belt changed at 15,000. I guess when I'm starting off quickly that I'm forcing the belt to engage immediately and so there is no sound. I'm not thinking it's really serious after all. And it's possible due to the fact I have a hearing loss and my hearing aids have been sent off for repair (witch will take a month) so It's possible it might have been doing it all along and I didn't hear it. One of the problems with my hearing aids was some sounds were blocked. |
Using the search box I typed the words "Belt" and "Squeal" and was rewarded with a plethora of threads. I chose this one: http://www.silverwing600.com/t2826-squealing-noise?highlight=Belt+Squeal
Read it and review - does it answer your question?
You could also use the forums search feature from any location or any page. It is located to the left of and just below the main menu. This will enable you to customize your search for an answer.
This has moved radically away from a metallic sound. Proper description of the problem is helpful.
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MikeO Site Admin

Number of posts: 1724 Age: 62 Location: Western Europe Points: 2868 Registration date: 2009-06-29
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:20 am | |
| X9s are prone to it and it was labelled the 'Squealing Sealion' noise.
Both mine did it when riding in stop-start traffic. My Silverwing does occasionally, too. I think it's when belt and pulleys heat up a bit - just one of those things. It never seems to do any damage. _________________ Mike - Riding on the right - riding for pleasure!
'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
www.x9ownersclub.co.uk - for all Maxi-Riders who want to RIDE!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
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MikeO Site Admin

Number of posts: 1724 Age: 62 Location: Western Europe Points: 2868 Registration date: 2009-06-29
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:01 am | |
| Guess what? This thread today: http://www.x9ownersclub.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21220.0;topicseen _________________ Mike - Riding on the right - riding for pleasure!
'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
www.x9ownersclub.co.uk - for all Maxi-Riders who want to RIDE!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
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compguy Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 69 Age: 65 Location: Lakeland, Fla Points: 704 Registration date: 2010-10-11
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:50 am | |
| So much for being a normal sound. Yesterday it started making a noise that sounded like something inside came loose then a loud belt squeel then it locked up and had to be towed to the dealership. Perhaps doing a search of "draging noise" wouldn't have helped me much. I did purchase the extra warranty for $500 when I bought it so? I only have a little over 3000 miles on that belt. I'm thinking maybe a bearing or something. What scares me is that I've had total trust in Honda and I've been getting the scooter serviced just like I'm suppose to. So I was thinking I had a very realiable scooter and wouldn't think twice about taking off accross country, now I may not have that reliability. However I did also purchase two roadside emergency policies that and one came into play yesterday. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:29 am | |
| Honda's aren't prone to engineering deficiencies. Perhaps something as simple as a loose drive face bolt? Did you or anyone else do any service inside the transmission area?
My Swing had a leaky final drive housing after 2 weeks of ownership. The problem was at the factory the RTV sealant around the aluminum cover had not been adequately applied, hence the leak. Unfortunately, humans can and will makes mistakes.
Let us know the outcome.
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compguy Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 69 Age: 65 Location: Lakeland, Fla Points: 704 Registration date: 2010-10-11
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:16 am | |
| Ok I just got a call from the dealership and they said that the dealership in Des Moines that changed my drive belt didn't torgue some bolt correctly and it came loose. I'm going to be back on the road this PM. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:21 am | |
| | compguy wrote: | | Ok I just got a call from the dealership and they said that the dealership in Des Moines that changed my drive belt didn't torgue some bolt correctly and it came loose. I'm going to be back on the road this PM. |
Just as I suspected. It's the drive face bolt. It needs to be torqued to 76 ft-lbs. It is likely there would have been no damage done by the bolt coming off. However, the drive belt would have slipped considerably and may be worn beyond its serviceable limits. I would insist that the new dealer replace the drive belt if there was a whole bunch of belt dust in the cases, and clean the belt air filter. Some people swear by dealer service. I mostly swear at it. |
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john grinsel Silver Wing Expert

Number of posts: 530 Points: 1604 Registration date: 2009-08-18
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:21 pm | |
| Best to learn to do own work. I use dealers only for warranty work....and after that careful check of what they did. Prevents walking.
There are good bike dealers and people turning wrenches, but few and far between. |
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Daboo Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 191 Location: Seattle, WA Points: 1105 Registration date: 2009-12-08
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:32 pm | |
| I have to respectfully disagree with bigbird on this one...and agree with John Grinsel.  If the nut came off...where did it go while spinning at even 2000 rpms? Usually, it bounces around everywhere till everything stops. Most people who've had this happen on a Burgman 400, were out several hundred dollars replacing parts that were chewed up. The nut is harder steel than the other parts inside. I guess if the nut didn't come off completely, you could be okay. But it would be interesting to know the extent of what they had to do to get you going again. Chris |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:33 pm | |
| If the dealer will have it repaired and back the same afternoon, that would tell me there would be no need to replace any damaged parts. I doubt that any dealer would stock any Silverwing inner or outer drive faces, driven faces, or clutch parts. In all likelihood the variator nut and washer simply fell off and sat at the bottom of the belt housing. The instant the nut loosens enough to allow the drive faces to separate, the belt will not spin anymore. If this happened at high rpm while cruising out on the highway, yes, parts would thrash around as the belt would still be turning from the clutch being engaged. But at slow speeds around town, or even starting off from a stop, the belt would stop instantly when lateral belt pressure is lost. If the belt isn't turning, then how can any parts be flung around inside the belt case? I got the impression from the OP that this happened either on the stand or trying to drive off from a complete stop, not at speed. But of course, I could be totally wrong. I'll let the OP describe the failure and the parts required to fix the problem. |
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compguy Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 69 Age: 65 Location: Lakeland, Fla Points: 704 Registration date: 2010-10-11
 | Subject: Re: Metallic Dragging Sound at Slow Start Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:59 pm | |
| I guess I saved having more damage cause when it happened I stopped right away and didn't try to run it anymore. There was some metal scraring but it seems ok as I rode 100 miles today and it worked fine. I'll call the dealership Monday and ask how the belt looked.
I used to do all my own mechanical work till old age and ol Art Ritus moved in on me. Now my fingers won't turn a bolt. |
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