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PostSubject: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:09 pm

I have the supplies and just about ready to try to repair an oil leak that requires removal of exhaust side engine engine cover.
I will try to do it without removing exhaust pipes from the head....MY QUESTION...how to remove the outer piece of metal that bolts to the swingarm with two torx bolts...after the bolts are removed....does it just slide out or do i pry it or what? any help and tips are appreciated. the pic below is the part that i am inquiring.



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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:01 pm

what is that you are using to point with? looks a little long to be a finger.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:07 pm

lol...well despite what it looks like it is my finger.....wouldve used another pointer but though it might get moderated ....hehehehe.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:18 pm

The piece you are pointing to is the right swing arm. Removing the 3 torx bolts will allow the swing arm to just pull off. You may have to give it a light tap with a small rubber mallet.

I'm very sure you will have to remove the complete exhaust manifold from the head to the muffler. One or two of those right crankcase cover bolts at the bottom is inaccessible otherwise. If you can remove the bolts without removing the exhaust, you will be a folk hero here. not worthy
Good luck.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:58 am

thanx big bird, i am aware that the exhaust will likely need to come off, but if i see a way around it i will definitely share it here. its ashamed such a dependable bike made by a well revered name has such a notorious leak.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:49 am

i got the crankcase cover off....but two gears fell out....any ideas where they go?



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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:07 pm



very top of picture are your bits you have in your hand
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:53 pm

thanks for that parts sheet....i think ive got them back in place....they are the starter gears....got the crankcase cover gasketed and bolted up so it can dry....will continue reassembly tommorrow......
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:15 pm

Now I know what the Honda dealer was talking about back when I was looking at a couple of used one he had and their worksheet had something bout repairing the oil leak, gaskets, and stuff. I didn't pay much attention at the time but now that I have a SW, I like to know these things. Question: how often does this occur? Can you put a ballpark milage figure on it?
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:38 am

ulflyer....i bought my swing with 8000 miles on the clock and i had the leak then.....the dealership assured me they fixed it but it was a lie....reasons like that is why im not taking to a dealer to fix it.....YOUR QUESTION...i think some people never have that problem while there are many that do.....its not a reason to not buy a swing...its a great bike....the leak is just a quirk that happens sometimes.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:07 am

I have the bike back together except for the passenger footrest....left it off to view the situation for now.....the engine fired right up as always.....let the engine idle up to operating temp while viewing for leaks.....then rode about one mile and l will let it cool and check the oil level.....no leaks so far...but i havent tested hard yet......will keep you posted.


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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:19 pm

Flyingwing: thanks for good info. Just for future ref, does it just take a new gasket, with appropriate cement? Also, since you didn't mention it again, I take it you had to pull the exhaust?
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:04 pm

ulflyer......Negatory.....no gasket only gasket maker....i used permatex rtv gasketmaker red(high heat)....and yes had to pull the exhaust....but that was the easiest part of the job....reinstalling exhaust was a breeze to....BTW.....I rode 50 miles later today and still no leak.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:49 am

FW: thanks for feedback. I'll be more knowledgable if mine starts to leak as thats the kind of work I 'm able to do.
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PostSubject: Oil leak   Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:55 am

At last someone with the same problem as me.
I have just read through your post and have 2 questions for you.
1 Was it the side engine gasket for the cover that failed? or the gromits for the 2 sensors?
2 Did you remove the whole exhaust to the manifold?, and if so how? ( just need to know about the front half ).
I am surprised there isn't any more info on this subject, as its a common fault with this bike.

Your help is most appreciated, and needed cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:17 am

liamwalshski wrote:

1 Was it the side engine gasket for the cover that failed? or the gromits for the 2 sensors?
2 Did you remove the whole exhaust to the manifold?, and if so how? ( just need to know about the front half ).
I am surprised there isn't any more info on this subject, as its a common fault with this bike.

Your help is most appreciated, and needed cheers


Liam, I think I can help you if the OP is unavailable:
1) The rubber grommet was leaking. Check the title of this topic.
2) The whole exhaust has to be removed from the cylinder head back. The 2 head pipes to the collector that connects to the muffler is one solid piece. The collector is downstream of the right engine case. That's why the pipes have to come off at the head. If you have a later model ('08 on) with O2 sensor in the exhaust, that sensor must be disconnected (not removed) from the wiring harness. That's easy to do, but watch the way the clips separate. Don't force it.
If you don't have a service manual (sounds like you don't if you're asking how to remove exhaust pipes from the head), I strongly suggest you get one. Each pipe is held on by two bolts. There is a gasket at each that is a wear item. They suggest you replace the gasket on removal. Watch your torque on reinstalling the bolts to the head. They don't require much torquing (9 ft.lbs) and there is a sequence to their torquing. If you pull the muffler from the collector, there's a bushing in there that can be ruined. If you don't smash it up, you can reuse it.
Get a service manual!

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It will be much easier to do this if you lay the Swing down onto its left side. The stator and rotor have a strong magnetic attraction. If you try to reinstall the pieces with the bike vertical, the magnetism will try to misalign the pieces and you'll end up smearing the new sealant all over the mating surfaces. If you lay the bike down and just drop the case over the engine, it will line up much easier and you won't smear that nice bead of RTV sealant.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:18 pm

bigbird wrote:
liamwalshski wrote:

1 Was it the side engine gasket for the cover that failed? or the gromits for the 2 sensors?
2 Did you remove the whole exhaust to the manifold?, and if so how? ( just need to know about the front half ).
I am surprised there isn't any more info on this subject, as its a common fault with this bike.

Your help is most appreciated, and needed cheers


Liam, I think I can help you if the OP is unavailable:
1) The rubber grommet was leaking. Check the title of this topic.
2) The whole exhaust has to be removed from the cylinder head back. The 2 head pipes to the collector that connects to the muffler is one solid piece. The collector is downstream of the right engine case. That's why the pipes have to come off at the head. If you have a later model ('08 on) with O2 sensor in the exhaust, that sensor must be disconnected (not removed) from the wiring harness. That's easy to do, but watch the way the clips separate. Don't force it.
If you don't have a service manual (sounds like you don't if you're asking how to remove exhaust pipes from the head), I strongly suggest you get one. Each pipe is held on by two bolts. There is a gasket at each that is a wear item. They suggest you replace the gasket on removal. Watch your torque on reinstalling the bolts to the head. They don't require much torquing (9 ft.lbs) and there is a sequence to their torquing. If you pull the muffler from the collector, there's a bushing in there that can be ruined. If you don't smash it up, you can reuse it.
Get a service manual!

PS:
It will be much easier to do this if you lay the Swing down onto its left side. The stator and rotor have a strong magnetic attraction. If you try to reinstall the pieces with the bike vertical, the magnetism will try to misalign the pieces and you'll end up smearing the new sealant all over the mating surfaces. If you lay the bike down and just drop the case over the engine, it will line up much easier and you won't smear that nice bead of RTV sealant.
were the grommets replaced and how long for process?
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:44 pm

For those of us who would rather not tackle this job, I checked with my Honda dealer today which has done a bunch of these procedures and they said it was an hour job and would cost $70.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:18 pm

ulflyer wrote:
For those of us who would rather not tackle this job, I checked with my Honda dealer today which has done a bunch of these procedures and they said it was an hour job and would cost $70.


Sounds fishy.
1 hour labour alone is between $80 and $100, and the grommet itself is not a separate Honda part, but part of the stator, at $190. What about new oil? The oil must be drained to remove the crankcase cover. I can't see the dealer reinstalling old oil. What about the RTV gasket material? What about shop supplies? What about a new grommet if the stator is being reused?
Too many what if's for me.
I'd sure like to see the total bill for the grommet oil leak being $70. If it is, that's a helluva deal.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:32 am

Bigbird: I did see a statement that was posted on a used one they had for sale sitting on floor. It outlined all the things they had done to the SW and the repair in question said "muffler/exhaust pulled, cover resealed, total cost $70." I asked and they said that figure was correct. I didn't know enough about the procedure to query further and what you say surely sounds reasonable.

If mine ever starts leaking I'll ask for an estimate. At my tender age I can no longer spend much time on knees doing such work like I used to. Did that a month ago on the Can Am changing out the grease fittings and ended up at orthopedic doc having fluid drawn out and steriods put in...which he referred to as changing my oil! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:08 am

ulflyer wrote:


At my tender age I can no longer spend much time on knees doing such work like I used to. Did that a month ago on the Can Am changing out the grease fittings and ended up at orthopedic doc having fluid drawn out and steriods put in...which he referred to as changing my oil! Smile


Oh no.
At our ages we must weigh and measure the consequences of lying, kneeling, and twisting while working on our toys. The savings may not be worth the final physical cost.
I'd for sure pay the $70 instead of getting steroids and fluid drainings as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:37 pm

Thanks Bigbird, you have explained very very well. I'm going to lay it down on its left side and get started on the exhaust, cover, and gromit replacements. You have answered questions I didn't even think to ask yet. I have found one though.How did you get to the exhaust manifold for removal. Your write I havn't got the workshop manual yet.
Are you it the uk? if so can you recommend a parts supplier for gromits and exhaust gaskets?
Thank you in advance.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:42 pm

liamwalshski wrote:
Thanks Bigbird, you have explained very very well. I'm going to lay it down on its left side and get started on the exhaust, cover, and gromit replacements. You have answered questions I didn't even think to ask yet. I have found one though.How did you get to the exhaust manifold for removal. Your write I havn't got the workshop manual yet.
Are you it the uk? if so can you recommend a parts supplier for gromits and exhaust gaskets?
Thank you in advance.


I'm in Canada, so I can't help you out regarding parts.
The exhaust manifold at the cylinder head is the easiest part. Once the floor skirting is off and the bike laid down on its side, the bolts for each exhaust will be staring you in the face.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:46 am

just added stop leak hope that works before tearing things apart
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PostSubject: Re: Rubber Grommetts Oil Leak Repair Question   Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:38 pm

tankyuong wrote:
just added stop leak hope that works before tearing things apart


Added it to what? The engine oil?
That will never repair a leaking grommet, if that's your problem.
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