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ThePPH Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 67 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-04-27
 | Subject: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:49 am | |
| Hello everyone,
I received my Dr Pulley sliders yesterday in the 24 gram weight and I am not awaiting my new belt so that I can replace that while I swap out the weights. I am going to follow the tutorial on this site so I am very thankful to have it to refer to since I am not mechanically inclined and quite reluctant to take apart working equipment in a quest for improvement but I am going to give it a go.
I haven't ready anything specifically on the 24 gram weights as far as performance is concerned so I wanted to see if anyone has any experience with this weight and what I should see in relation to 0 MPH to 60 MPH and 50 MPH to 80 MPH where most passing occurs. After all, that is precisely why I bought these. I just hope that fuel economy doesn't suffer too significantly compared to stock. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:18 am | |
| | ThePPH wrote: | I am going to follow the tutorial on this site so I am very thankful to have it to refer to since I am not mechanically inclined and quite reluctant to take apart working equipment in a quest for improvement but I am going to give it a go.
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Good for you. It's not difficult. Make sure you have the right tools before starting. There really are no "gotcha's" on this procedure. Be ready when you pull off the inner sheave of the variator for the rollers and spacers to fall out and roll all over the ground. If you take the inner sheave off very slowly and carefully, nothing will fall off. What are you doing to hold the variator while you loosen the main nut? Special tool or electric impact gun? Do you have a torque wrench for reinstalling the variator nut?
Go slowly and it will likely take you a couple of hours for a first timer. |
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ThePPH Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 67 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-04-27
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:57 am | |
| Now that you mention it I do not have a very extensive tool set up. I do have a buddy that I can count on with almost everything. I might order the special holding tool just to make sure everything is as close to flawless as possible with this bit of maintenance. I am going to read up and make sure that I do have everything ready to go so there will be no costly errors. Thanks for pointing those things out. I did remember reading about the special tool and configuring a homemade tool that could be used instead. I am really glad I did the reading up on this because for such a cheap price and fairly straight forward install I'm hearing the improvement is quite noticeable and a good bang for the buck! I would think that this will be a better long term solution than switching to the J Costa variator even though the performance improvement won't be as dramatic. I am planning to get the HiT new gen clutch and customize the springs to my style of driving a little further down the road too. After all of the maintenance improvements are taken care of and getting brake pads and tires replaced I can start spending money on the exhaust and fuel computer to really get this scoot where I want her performance wise. I really don't care about dynoing the scooter anymore as long as I am happy with the seat of the pants feel I receive after I accomplish all of these changes. I do wish we had wheel options for our scooters. I would like a lighter and wider option for the drive wheel at the very least.
Thanks Again, Scott |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:07 pm | |
| Scott, if you're looking for best seat of the pants bang for the buck it's undoubtedly a J. Costa variator, not Dr. Pulley 24g sliders.
You can make a variator holder very easily and save some $. This is the one I made. Go here:
http://www.leroybeal.net/motorcycles/silverwing/articles/drivepulleytool/VPT.pdf
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2258 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3606 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:23 pm | |
| If you have a weight scale I would measure each slider separately.
We have a small scale that measures down to .1 grams. I measured the sliders there were several that were slightly heavier than the rest.
hI re-measured and put the sliders in the same weight matching pile. When I installed the sliders, I placed the heavier weights opposite from each other and then filled in the rest with the remaining sliders.
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ThePPH Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 67 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-04-27
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:32 pm | |
| I really appreciate that and it sounds like a necessity. If their quality control is not perfect then I could see where it would be beneficial to make such an adjustment to the placement of each weight. I am sure I can go to the local smoke shop and grab a scale that measures in tenths of a gram because they are likely to have some very accurate digital scales.
Thank you for that advice. There really is a lot of things I want to do but I have to curb my appetite for perfection due to money constraints. This is precisely why I chose the weights and not the j costa. Along with the quick wear issues that are associated with changing to j costa's variator over the sliders. I will take less performance if it means less wear and tear on the scoot. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:37 pm | |
| | ThePPH wrote: | | I will take less performance if it means less wear and tear on the scoot. |
And that's why you wanted to put a turbo on your Swing?
First you want maximum performance, now you want longer engine life.
Oh well, keep plugging along and continue with your updates.
The worst wear and tear on any engine is at cold start, especially putting an engine under heavy load before it reaches full operating temperature. A J. Costa isn't going to wear out your engine any sooner than Dr. Pulley sliders.
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ThePPH Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 67 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-04-27
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:44 pm | |
| No I meant the J Costa variator itself having issues with wearing out and needing medical attention after 10,000 miles. I'd have to say I was over eager in the beginning stages of ownership and with time I have seen this machine for what it is. I'm just more content to enhance what is already there rather than trying to change the entire reasoning behind such a vehicle. I'll turbo a V-ROD if my commissions start increasing and I make a few hundred thousand. I literally ride my SWing to work every single day so it sees at least 30 miles 5 days per week. I think longevity is a concern now that I realize that I want to ride all the time more than I enjoy driving my BMW 330Ci convertible, believe it or not |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:47 pm | |
| | ThePPH wrote: | | No I meant the J Costa variator itself having issues with wearing out and needing medical attention after 10,000 miles. |
No medical attention needed, just replacement pins at 10k miles. It's a minor wear item that's not expensive. Have you ever driven a Swing with a J. Costa? It's like having a very different bike.
Anyways, not worth arguing about. When are you installing the new sliders? |
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ThePPH Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 67 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-04-27
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:57 pm | |
| Oh I would love to get one but the cost and availability have been an issue since I bought my Swing and the thought of having to do that kind of maintenance every 10k miles just worried me a little because I'm never truly comfortable with digging into the mechanical parts of the scoot. I don't mind un-screwing plastic or messing with intake filters but my competency for such things is low and I don't want to risk breaking anything. I wish someone who knew more was close to my location so that I could have a team mate help me not mess things up. |
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ThePPH Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 67 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-04-27
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:05 pm | |
| I should get my new belt by Monday and I will give it a go next week - I'm pretty impatient when it comes to things like this but I gotta change that belt out because I have no idea when it was changed the first time or if it was changed and I now have 27,500 miles |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:16 pm | |
| It looks like you live in the upscale part of Phoenix, near Scottsdale. Surely there must be another Swing owner in your neck of the woods who would help you out. Try posting on your local Kijiji. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:14 pm | |
| | ThePPH wrote: | I'll turbo a V-ROD if my commissions start increasing and I make a few hundred thousand. I want to ride all the time more than I enjoy driving my BMW 330Ci convertible, believe it or not |
Sounds like you can pay to have all your work done for you. |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1083 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:36 pm | |
| A few hundred thousand? To turbo a vrod? A bone stock 1983 Suzuki gs1100e is faster than a vrod drag bike, by 6+ lengths! I think your full of ****. You've definitely exhibited a complete lack of knowledge of anything concerning motors. There, i said what everyone else has been thinking  Mybad! |
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model28a Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 282 Age: 59 Location: St.Pete.FL. Points: 1136 Registration date: 2010-02-03
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:15 pm | |
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DickO Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 480 Age: 67 Location: Harveyville, Kansas (SW of Topeka) Points: 1777 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:32 pm | |
| Easy now, boys... not everyone's a motorcycle guru... even you 'started' somewhere, sometime. This forum is "suppose" to be the NICE one. |
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ThePPH Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 67 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-04-27
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:58 am | |
| I don't let that get to me at all. Everyone is really tough and opinionated behind the safety of their computer. It's been the same since I was in my early 20's on SuperHonda - I'm not claiming to know much about motorcycles or scooters. This is my first scooter beside a Honda Gyro in high school back in 1991 so I ask for advice here but if I mention anything else that is what people want to target. I said if commission gets better I could turbo a V Rod tongue in cheek comment not to be taken seriously. I live in a very nice upscale suburb of Phoenix just east of Scottsdale but I am not claiming to be a millionaire or anything. I have a 2004 BMW 330 CI convertible that I make payments on and don't get to drive because my Fiancee' is always driving it while I drive the SilverWing every day to work. Not sure what I said that is drawing a BS flag or getting all the flamers so flamey but it just shows the maturity level of folks who really should be more mature. Again, everyone feels really tough behind their computer. I'm a 36 y.o. male that is a former baseball player and boxer and I have two young boys. Everything I speak is the truth about what I know and don't know so I am not sure where these comments even come from. If anyone would like to meet me in person please shoot me a PM and let's talk. |
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lesley & John Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 113 Age: 41 Location: bristol uk Points: 795 Registration date: 2010-09-19
 | Subject: 24g sliders Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:21 pm | |
| hi pph im running 21g and 24 g rollers with mallossi variator and mallossi clutch that engages around 3200rpm for good take offs.i think im around the 5 second mark 0 to 60 and can show just about 113mph.to put accelleration into context my brother rides a xbs 1200 buell.we both were doing 30mph he was in top gear and we decided to go up to 80mph.so side by side at 30 i give it some lets just say he wasnt no were near it wasnt until he was in 3rd gear that he could stay with me and then only gain 1 or 2 bike lengths from 30 to 80.so that just goes to show how quick a tuned swing can be.the problem i found is that im doing this kind of acelleration all the time because its just god dam so easy take it easy out there. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:25 pm | |
| | lesley & John wrote: | | we both were doing 30mph he was in top gear and we decided to go up to 80mph. |
A 30 mph top gear roll-on in a Buell? What kind of Buell owner drives around in top gear at 30 mph? |
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goldwinger Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 74 Age: 58 Location: Canvey Island, Essex, UK Points: 437 Registration date: 2011-06-14
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:08 pm | |
| Not sure bb, but my Usylesses would cough and fart and jump about if I tried to do 30mph in 5th!!! 1st & 2nd are good "round town" gears, then accelerate to 60, change up etc etc.
Ian |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1083 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Dr Pulley 24g sliders Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:55 pm | |
| | bigbird wrote: | | lesley & John wrote: | | we both were doing 30mph he was in top gear and we decided to go up to 80mph. |
A 30 mph top gear roll-on in a Buell? What kind of Buell owner drives around in top gear at 30 mph? |
When i bought my last GSXR, (now my track bike) My girlfriend at the time was looking at the owners manual and showed me the shifting schedule for it. Suzuki recommended shifting INTO 6th gear at 47 M.P.H.! In reality, 6th is way up over 180.
I miss Phoenix. Hey BigBird, if we go together i remember this tiny Italian place on 7th Ave. just south of Thomas that had real aged Lasagna, spectacular stuff, really! |
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