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derek Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 12 Age: 55 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 578 Registration date: 2010-08-01
 | Subject: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:23 am | |
| Hi, I'm new to the Silver Wing experience, my problem is that i feel a vibration through the fairig at around 2500rpm which gradually gets worse upto around 4500rpm, at which point it transfers into the seat. above and below this range is fine. I only have 800Km`s on it and it has been there since day one. Is this normal, or not....... The dealer had it for a day, and said they had tightened afew fasteners and something on the drivetrain. But i didn`t feel any difference.  |
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JeffR Site Admin

Number of posts: 1672 Age: 52 Location: Fremont, Ca Points: 2836 Registration date: 2008-12-19
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:30 am | |
| derek, I'm not sure what it could be but did they check the balance of your tires? I know this sounds awfully simple but maybe that has something to do with it. I would also check to see if the parking brake is sticking a bit too and possibly de-glaze the clutch but holding the brake in and reving it up to about 4,000 rpm's for about 4 or 5 seconds. These are the only ideas that I have that may cause something like this. _________________ Ride safe, JeffR 2007 Silver Wing (30,000 miles) 2005 Majesty 400 (sold 12,500 miles) 2004 Reflex (sold 3,500 miles) Givi Windshield, top case, vista cruise, power commander, dr pulley sliders, air hawk seat pad, (J. Costa not installed now), kevlar belt  |
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derek Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 12 Age: 55 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 578 Registration date: 2010-08-01
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:34 am | |
| Hi Jeff, the vibration is from the power train not the tires....it does even when I;m not moving. I was talking to a local guy who soggested it was the belt vibrating! Is there any substance to this theory? Derek |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3873 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:00 am | |
| Hi derek, How many miles do you have on your scooter? |
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derek Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 12 Age: 55 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 578 Registration date: 2010-08-01
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:11 am | |
| Hi Dennis, Happy Birthday. The scooter has 800km/500m on it. I did talk to 2 other guys with the same model, but had a few more miles on them and they both said they did not feel any vibration. As I said I am new to these big scooters, I previously rode a little 50cc Vespa for 3 years and never had any issues with it. Also as i said before, this could be a normal characteristic. Thanks for your interest Derek |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3873 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:19 am | |
| Sence it is so new, I would suggest taking the bike out and ride the beegeebers out of it and do some high speed runs and see if it helps getting it broke-in. |
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derek Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 12 Age: 55 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 578 Registration date: 2010-08-01
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:23 am | |
| I'm always up for that! I'll try it, as soon as this lousy weather passes over. |
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jdeereanton Site Admin

Number of posts: 1688 Age: 54 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 2865 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:25 pm | |
| derek,
Welcome to the site and to SilverWing ownership.
There will be some vibration transfered to and exascerbated by the plastic. If the plastic did not have some movement it might likely break. There was little in your vespa because there was little or no fairing on that little scoot.
I am loathe to say it is something that you will have to live with, but that may very well be the case. _________________ Dale Huntsville, AL
2 x 2005 - Hers & His Boots, socks, underwear, pants, t-shirt, jacket, gloves, & helmet.
http://www.youtube.com/user/jdeereanton
Riding on "Just Basic Shocks" - My shocks, while completely functional, have never even been nominated for an award.
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john grinsel Silver Wing Rider

Number of posts: 423 Points: 1379 Registration date: 2009-08-18
 | Subject: shake Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:57 pm | |
| I have been buying & riding these rubber band drive scooters for around 20 years now, earlier experience with Vespa Ciao---rubber band drive 50cc moped-smooth. My take, my 09 bought new shook on test ride, got better with some use, 2,400 miles in a week last week, developed growl on some take offs----took apart yesterday, cleaned some things up and put together. Better today. 6,000 total miles still not real smooth. Also I think 125cc is really about limit for smooth drive take up with this system of belt drives---my 125 Daelim that I had in Korea a couple of years ago was smooth. I had 4 Helix,3 of them had some clutch trouble, one broke belt, some belt slap could be heard in case, they were a smoother than Silverwing. They were ridden 36-50,000 miles each and traded. Reflex I had was smooth---but lady on cell phone ran over it and me at stop sign @22,000 miles. had new 08 Suzuki 400 Burgman - - not so smooth. Look at clutch set up on Yamaha TMAX---both wet clutch and Salisbury type clutch---much smoother than Silverwing...but I traded my TMAX at 11,000 miles as I forsaw huge maint. costs in future. I live with the vibs on my Silverwing and see nothing wrong----and remember side by side twins either vibrate or have rocking couple, depending on crank.Smoother would be nicer, but after this is bike/scooter. John Grinsel |
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Waspie Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1477 Age: 59 Location: Portland, UK Points: 2524 Registration date: 2009-07-26
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:12 pm | |
| I experienced a fine vibration during the early days of my 09 'Wing'. Wore off after a while. Most scoots have some noise, vibration or rattle. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1762 Age: 61 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 2544 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:00 pm | |
| | derek wrote: |
I did talk to 2 other guys with the same model, but had a few more miles on them and they both said they did not feel any vibration. |
Hi Derek. That was me and Alan on the Crown Honda group ride. I recall your asking about vibration. Have you ridden any other Swings? Did you ask Scott to try another one? The service guys at Crown have very little experience with the scooters. As I said before, my Swing vibrated noticeably on heavier acceleration between 3 and 4k rpm. Installing the J. Costa variator got rid of that by bringing the rpm up by 500 to put the engine closer to its torque peak with less lugging. Terry |
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MikeO Site Admin

Number of posts: 1585 Age: 62 Location: Western Europe Points: 2617 Registration date: 2009-06-29
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:04 pm | |
| I get a bit but the Grip Puppies seem to have done the trick. I asked Ed if he gets any vibration on his rubber-band equipped BMW R1150RT. He gets a bit but that's at around 130MPH.  _________________ Mike - Riding on the right - riding for pleasure!
'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
www.x9ownersclub.co.uk - for all Maxi-Riders who want to RIDE!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
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GaryL Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 237 Age: 59 Location: Casa Grande, Arizona Points: 836 Registration date: 2010-07-09
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:35 pm | |
| Derek, I also have a new 2009, and there is a little bit of vibration. At first I thought it was a problem too, but I had to remind myself that I had just transitioned from a GoldWing GL1800, and they are as smooth as they come. Every twin that I have ever owned (side by side twin) has had some level of vibration. Does it vibrate only while accelerating, or does it do it all the time? If I'm just loafing along at that RPM, there is almost no vibration, but if I accelerate, or climb a steep hill where you are really loading the engine, there is a distinct vibration... more of a growl to me, but it is there on mine. I have about 1700 miles on mine now, and I really don't notice it any more. |
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derek Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 12 Age: 55 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 578 Registration date: 2010-08-01
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:44 pm | |
| I thank you all for the great advise and suggestions. I now have a 1000km's on it and it has not changed. I will try another scooter, and if thats the way they are then that's that. I will learn to live with it. Derek |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3873 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:38 pm | |
| Hi derek, Before I went out and bought the Silverwing, I rode an old H-D panhead for 20 years. The amount of viberation coming off the old bike was kinda like seating on a split rail fence shooting a 50 cal. machine gun. I think the Silverwing is smooth as glass. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1762 Age: 61 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 2544 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:42 pm | |
| Mine is very smooth, especially with the J. Costa. I'm sure Scott at Crown will let you try another. Last time we were there they had 2 in the showroom. |
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ronjr009 Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 176 Location: Greeneville, TN Points: 1362 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:28 pm | |
| Derek,
Do you know of anyone else in your city (maybe your dealer can refer you to someone) who has a Silverwing who could take yours for a quick ride and see if it feels, sounds, and acts the same as theirs? I've ridden two Silverwings and they both felt identical and the same in the way they feel, sound, and ride so if one had a vibration or something that was wrong, I probably would have felt it. This would be a good way to get the opinion of someone who has a good frame of reference. Good luck and enjoy your Silverwing! |
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Excell Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 143 Age: 64 Location: Winnipeg Manitoba Points: 1171 Registration date: 2009-05-06
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:42 pm | |
| Derek next time we ride together we can trade bikes for a mile or two and then you will know . My buddy had a vibration like that and it was his garage door opener in the rt compartment .Another one had loose plastic over the rad .It is amazing,what these things can cause .
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1762 Age: 61 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 2544 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:32 am | |
| Likewise if you're up in the neighbourhood by the dealer I am 2 blocks away. I can certainly take yours for a quick spin. You can see how smooth mine is. |
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racer38 Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 4 Location: Roanoke, VA Points: 533 Registration date: 2010-08-26
 | Subject: 08 With vibration problem Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:09 pm | |
| Just purchased a 08 Silverwing with 10k miles. Runs great, however has a serious vibration starting at about 4000 RPM and thru 5000 RPM, can be felt on the floorboard, in the hand grips and seen in the mirrors. Having owned an 02 and 05, never remember anything like this. My friend has a 09 and he has the same problem. I am thinking possible trans or bearing problem in the trans. Steve |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3873 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:27 pm | |
| Hi racer, I also have a 2008, I was just wonding if this vibration only happens when the scooter is cold. |
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racer38 Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 4 Location: Roanoke, VA Points: 533 Registration date: 2010-08-26
 | Subject: 08 With vibration problem Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:54 pm | |
| The vibration is there hot or cold. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3873 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:29 pm | |
| It almost sounds like a tire balance problem. |
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racer38 Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 4 Location: Roanoke, VA Points: 533 Registration date: 2010-08-26
 | Subject: 08 Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:58 pm | |
| It is not a tire balance problem, when you are on the throttle and going thru 40 to 50 mph with a load on the engine is when the vibration occurs, let go of the throttle and the vibration stops. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1762 Age: 61 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 2544 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:04 pm | |
| Try cleaning your variator rollers. They can get really gunked up with rubber from the belt. |
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racer38 Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 4 Location: Roanoke, VA Points: 533 Registration date: 2010-08-26
 | Subject: 08 With vibration problem Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:15 pm | |
| I will give that a try. Thanks for the tip. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3873 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: 09 SW vibration Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:20 pm | |
| One more thing you might check is the belt. Check it for wear |
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