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PostSubject: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:38 am

i would like to attach a wolfman dry bag on the rear shelf of my wing. thinking of ways to mount eyebolts or something similar underneath the shelf as an attachment point for Rok straps.. any thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:01 am

Might be a bit tricky bud, the underneath of the shelf is a plastic cover, you could possibly replace the fixing screws with eyebolts but they are not very substancial.

could you use an 'elastic cargo net' ? similar to .... https://tinyurl.com/y83lvall
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:10 am

The Wolfman Dry Bags are pretty much like the roll top Ortleib bags I've been using since the early Nineties. Unless you have a passenger or other baggage on the rear seat, or specifically want to use the rear rack, it's the ideal place to carry a loaded dry bag.

Just roll the top down to seal it, clip the two top Fastex buckles, lift it on to the seat and thread a dry bag side strap through the hand rails on both sides and clip to the Fastex buckles, cinch the straps tight, and it's job done.

The bag won't loosen or move around, and you have a handy back rest too.
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:38 am

Meldrew wrote:
The Wolfman Dry Bags are pretty much like the roll top Ortleib bags I've been using since the early Nineties. Unless you have a passenger or other baggage on the rear seat, or specifically want to use the rear rack, it's the ideal place to carry a loaded dry bag.

Just roll the top down to seal it, clip the two top Fastex buckles, lift it on to the seat and thread a dry bag side strap through the hand rails on both sides and clip to the Fastex buckles, cinch the straps tight, and it's job done.

The bag won't loosen or move around, and you have a handy back rest too.

I would be strapping down a second bag on the rear shelf.

The back rest is nice!
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:46 am

The Bern wrote:
Might be a bit tricky bud, the underneath of the shelf is a plastic cover, you could possibly replace the fixing screws with eyebolts but they are not very substancial.

could you use an 'elastic cargo net' ? similar to .... https://tinyurl.com/y83lvall

I was thinking of opening the 4 holes in the shelf that one would use for mounting a Givi box. Would end up with 4 nuts exposed on the shelf. Would also need to open 4 holes in the plastic cover.
The cargo net wouldn't be large enough to secure a Wolfman. Wolfman dry expedition bags are similar in size to a medium duffel bag.
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:37 am

joebillybobinark wrote:
I was thinking of opening the 4 holes in the shelf that one would use for mounting a Givi box.  Would end up with 4 nuts exposed on the shelf.  Would also need to open 4 holes in the plastic cover. < Snip >

Top case mount hole locations? Okay, so that dilemma is sorted then.

Use eye bolts mounted upside down and use acorn nuts on the topside to anchor the eye bolts. The acorn nuts will protect the cargo bag. Leave the plastic undercover off.

Of course, having come to terms with drilling those tail holes, you could make a cargo plate from a 1/4" aluminum plate, (3/16" if you've got access to a sheet metal brake to form edges to increase the strength) say 12" x 14". That way you could put bungee mount holes anywhere you'd like. 

Any number lf cargo plate ideas via Google or ADVrider. 

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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:10 pm

What Tim said ^^^^^
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:32 pm

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joebillybobinark wrote:
I was thinking of opening the 4 holes in the shelf that one would use for mounting a Givi box.  Would end up with 4 nuts exposed on the shelf.  Would also need to open 4 holes in the plastic cover. < Snip >

Top case mount hole locations? Okay, so that dilemma is sorted then.

Use eye bolts mounted upside down and use acorn nuts on the topside to anchor the eye bolts. The acorn nuts will protect the cargo bag. Leave the plastic undercover off.

Of course, having come to terms with drilling those tail holes, you could make a cargo plate from a 1/4" aluminum plate, (3/16" if you've got access to a sheet metal brake to form edges to increase the strength) say 12" x 14". That way you could put bungee mount holes anywhere you'd like. 

Any number lf cargo plate ideas via Google or ADVrider. 

Tim

Tim,
Thank you for planting the idea of aftermarket rack..

Looks like this may be a good fit...

Tusk Top Rack - Fits: Honda Africa Twin CRF1000L 2016-2017 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0795XVC9B/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_5mLuBbX4VEP1J

Appears to have the 4 holes spacing that the swing rear plate has OEM

Mounts back far enough to allow the seat to open

Plenty of strap attachment points

Bonus I can perhaps strap a MSR fuel bottle underneath...

Thoughts?

Thank you!
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:48 pm

I like the Tusk Top Rack idea, let us know if you do it.
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:56 pm

the OEM reinforced areas on the shelf appear to be roughly square and maybe 7" apart. doesn't match the pattern of the tusk rack for the Africa twin.

before I drill holes and measure, could someone please measure the length from the lip of the shelf to the center of the reinforced holes? perhaps that dimension will answer the question.

I really don't want to drill different holes in either the rack OR the shelf.

thanks

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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:31 pm

joebillybobinark wrote:
the OEM reinforced areas on the shelf appear to be roughly square and maybe 7" apart.  doesn't match the pattern of the tusk rack for the Africa twin.

before I drill holes and measure, could someone please measure the length from the lip of the shelf to the center of the reinforced holes?  perhaps that dimension will answer the question.

I really don't want to drill different holes in either the rack OR the shelf.  

So the mount holes are ~6" L to R and ~3.5" Front to Rear. The center of that mount pattern is ~4.5" as measured from the lip of the tail with the seat closed.

That said, there are several of "universal" top case mounts available which would mount/adapt to that bolt pattern and to which you could then attach bungee mounts to that top case mount without making the tail look like swiss cheese.

Hope this helps
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:57 pm

Cosmic_Jumper wrote:
joebillybobinark wrote:
the OEM reinforced areas on the shelf appear to be roughly square and maybe 7" apart.  doesn't match the pattern of the tusk rack for the Africa twin.

before I drill holes and measure, could someone please measure the length from the lip of the shelf to the center of the reinforced holes?  perhaps that dimension will answer the question.

I really don't want to drill different holes in either the rack OR the shelf.  

So the mount holes are ~6" L to R and ~3.5" Front to Rear. The center of that mount pattern is ~4.5" as measured from the lip of the tail with the seat closed.

That said, there are several of "universal" top case mounts available which would mount/adapt to that bolt pattern and to which you could then attach bungee mounts to that top case mount without making the tail look like swiss cheese.

Hope this helps

Thanks! I can plan my work accordingly...
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:14 pm

Drill the rack in correct holes.  You can then make simple plates from aluminium flat stock and drill that to match case holes.    Will need to space plates a little from rack for other set of bolts and nuts. You can attach any type plate or rack to that.

Simple and easy will look clean.
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:04 pm

Tusk rack arrived today and will not work. Disappointed.

My gripe with Givi top boxes is the rounded plastic hipster look. No thanks.

I am debating...
http://giviusa.com/givi-products/cases/monokey-cases/obkn58aa-58ltr-outback-top-case-silver-detail

Appearance is sport touring with plenty of storage. Handles should make attaching and removing easy.

Between the 40ltr saddlebags, the outback box and the Wolfman dry duffel bag, I should have plenty of room for travel.

Thanks everyone for the kind advice

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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:21 pm

Would the Givi S150 small universal rack bolted directly to the rear wing fit?  I have considered trying to make this work also.
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:21 am

Rounded plastic hipster look?

Not this one:

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/206537?r=GS&gclid=CjwKCAjw-8nbBRBnEiwAqWt1zTvxZN_cmegz9jOgXa3eo0yYmkVYHE7tQ6bnbZ474tUe8h8AFSNVYxoCVisQAvD_BwE

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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:03 pm

Still can't beat the colour coded original supplied with the scoot
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:57 pm

Scootypuff Snr wrote:
Still can't beat the colour coded original supplied with the scoot

It wasn't supplied with the scoot, the colour matched top box was part of the Genuine Honda Accessories range available for the Silver Wing and other models like the Deaville, and you had to purchase them.

Or sometimes they were offered as part of a free accessories package to shift various Honda models, and that's why lots of used Silver Wings for sale seem have them fitted.

I wasn't tempted when I bought my Silver Wing, as a 42 litre top box is way too small to be useful to me. I already had a Givi E52 to slot straight onto the Givi Monorack I had dealer fitted, along with heated grip, and leg wind deflectors.

Looking at this month's Cover Photo, I'm always drawn to how big and ugly the Honda rear rack and fitting plate are, they're twice as thick as the neat Monokey rack I have and make the Honda top box sit a lot higher.

I remember reading something many years ago in one of the early issues of Twist & Go (back when it was actually worth reading) blaming the high sitting Honda top box for a bit of instability. Of course back then the main criticisms of early Honda Silver Wings were heavy fuel consumption, and ABS equipped models were a couple hundred more quid to purchase.
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:55 am

Quite so; my penultimate Silverwing came with the Honda box.
Said box is still languishing in my storage unit.
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:39 am

Max Q wrote:
Would the Givi S150 small universal rack bolted directly to the rear wing fit?  I have considered trying to make this work also.

I tried it just now. Too big. Sending back to AtoZ

Family member will be able to build one for me from 3/8" plate. Was hoping to find something else, but alas...

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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:48 pm

MikeO wrote:

Said box is still languishing in my storage unit.

Ever thought about selling Mike,I have a project in mind that a cheap OEM box might work with


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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:55 pm

Meldrew wrote:
Scootypuff Snr wrote:
Still can't beat the colour coded original supplied with the scoot



Or sometimes they were offered as part of a free accessories package to shift various Honda models, and that's why lots of used Silver Wings for sale seem have them fitted.





I remember reading something many years ago in one of the early issues of Twist & Go (back when it was actually worth reading) blaming the high sitting Honda top box for a bit of instability. Of course back then the main criticisms of early Honda Silver Wings were heavy fuel consumption, and ABS equipped models were a couple hundred more quid to purchase.

Usually get free luggage as part of the sweetener when I buy new bike (Suzuki do it regularly)

I had the huge monokey top/side boxes bought as a job lot from Ghost bikes. Pig ugly and made my arse end the size of a bus. Couldn't give the bloody things away.

I agree a loaded Honda box does give the handling a different feel,but not to the extent of the emergency services Honda pan European debacle (a rumour started by BMW IMO )
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PostSubject: Re: mounting attachment points   Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:32 pm

Scootypuff Snr wrote:
MikeO wrote:

Said box is still languishing in my storage unit.

Ever thought about selling Mike,I have a project in mind that a cheap OEM box might work with

Not beyond the bounds of possibility. Smile
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