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PostSubject: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 3:02 pm

Can any owner of a late UK spec bike tell me if they have a passing (flasher) switch on the left hand cluster please?
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 4:01 pm

I'm not from the UK. I was a recent visitor. I have no idea what a "passing flasher" is, but it sounds interesting. Can you explain it for someone stateside?
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 4:16 pm

No problem. A 'passing' switch is a spring loaded switch that allows the rider to quickly flash the main beam headlight. It is usually used (incorrectly) as an 'I have seen you' or 'go ahead' indicator. For example, if riding along and a vehicle coming in the opposite direction is indicating that they want to cross your lane, you can 'flash' them to allow them to cross. As I say, it is not strictly correct but it is commonly used in the UK.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 4:17 pm

Kenjj50 wrote:
I'm not from the UK.  I was a recent visitor.  I have no idea what a "passing flasher" is, but it sounds interesting.  Can you explain it for someone stateside?
Dirty old man on a skateboard?? Laughing


Crustycrutch wrote:
Can any owner of a late UK spec bike tell me if they have a passing (flasher) switch on the left hand cluster please?

I've got a switch that flashes the main beam on my '04, if that's what you mean. Don't know about newer models.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 4:20 pm

Hi Winger, I just knew that the word 'flasher' would be picked up by someone - you win the prize :-)

Thanks for the info
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 4:22 pm

Yes, I have one too on my ’10, I believe it's used to flash a friendly greeting to other bikers, I wouldn't know.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 4:26 pm

A true Yorkshireman :-)
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I'm Cumbrian.
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Part fish then :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 4:54 pm

My main (upper) running light is HID. I can manually flash the lower headlight, but I don't have many occasions where I would do that. The light switch on my 2002 turns on the lower head light and the running lights. I usually turn on both in low light conditions.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 5:47 pm

I find the use of the term " main beam" and "running light" confusing. We simply call them like the manufacturers of cars and bikes " high beam" and " low beam". Many cars and most motorbikes drive with low beam on all the time to increase their visibility. High beam can only be used when there is no oncoming traffic at less than 200m distance in darkness or poor visibility. Most riders flash it to signal for passing or to warn of speed cameras /cop; both of which is illegal here in Oz.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 12, 2016 5:52 pm

Well using that terminology, my low beam is HID. It's brighter than my high beam but more diffuse.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 13, 2016 5:15 am

The Highway Code, the guidelines for road-users in the UK (some of the guidelines are Law) says regarding flashing of headlights:    

Rule 110

Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.

Rule 111

Never assume that flashing headlights is a signal inviting you to proceed. Use your own judgement and proceed carefully.


Ignoring these two rules may not be illegal but can be used against someone who, by ignoring them, causes an accident. Smile

[Edited to make the last sentence make better sense]


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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeFri Jan 15, 2016 9:13 am

This is fitted in Oz We flash the main beam to warn oncoming drivers that their high beam is "on" and blinding you.(legal), but it cannot be used to punish the oncoming errant driver by holding it on (illegal).
We also use it to warn oncoming vehicles of the nearby presence of a speed camera (highly Illegal), but we do it none the less.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeFri Jan 15, 2016 10:25 am

I wish those "safety" devices that constantly switch between high beam and low beam were illegal stateside. I suppose that those who use them would say that my attitude concerning them is proof positive of their value. I believe they exacerbate prejudice toward bikers. Just my opinion...
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeFri Jan 15, 2016 7:30 pm

I'm a believer in headlight modulators. They don't alternate between high and low beam, they shift back and forth between 100% and 80% power. Legal in all US states and Canadian Provinces. They go a long way to prevent that common statement at motorcycle/car accidents, "I never saw him".

In the 70s a federal law was passed to mandate motorcycles keep their headlights on at all times. No off switch. At the time that worked pretty well, made bikes stand out from cars. Then they started putting daylight running lights on cars and bikes kinda disappeared in the traffic. The invention of modulated lights brought the attention back to bikes in traffic. The modulation stands out from all the other lights on the road. I know at least a couple times the modulator on my bike prevented a car from pulling out in front of me and once prevented an oncoming car from making a left turn across my path.

So if they irritate someone now and then, at least I know that person saw me. I'd rather irritate someone than be hit by them.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeFri Jan 15, 2016 8:44 pm

exavid wrote:
I'm a believer in headlight modulators. They don't alternate between high and low beam, they shift back and forth between 100% and 80% power. Legal in all US states and Canadian Provinces. They go a long way to prevent that common statement at motorcycle/car accidents, "I never saw him".


This would not be legal in Oz, because the low and high beam spread their light differently.  The low beam spreads low and wide, so you can see a good wide section of the road ahead, but is designed not to throw too much light onto oncoming vehicles.  The high beam is designed to have a narrow and high spread to illuminate the distant section of the road, but they will blind oncoming traffic.  A modulator on the high beam would still tend to blind oncoming traffic.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeFri Jan 15, 2016 8:48 pm

another tactic that helps with that is the 'smidsy weave'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnIisFbd06o
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 16, 2016 4:10 pm

exavid wrote:
I'm a believer in headlight modulators. They don't alternate between high and low beam, they shift back and forth between 100% and 80% power. Legal in all US states and Canadian Provinces. They go a long way to prevent that common statement at motorcycle/car accidents, "I never saw him".

In the 70s a federal law was passed to mandate motorcycles keep their headlights on at all times. No off switch. At the time that worked pretty well, made bikes stand out from cars. Then they started putting daylight running lights on cars and bikes kinda disappeared in the traffic. The invention of modulated lights brought the attention back to bikes in traffic. The modulation stands out from all the other lights on the road. I know at least a couple times the modulator on my bike prevented a car from pulling out in front of me and once prevented an oncoming car from making a left turn across my path.

So if they irritate someone now and then, at least I know that person saw me. I'd rather irritate someone than be hit by them.

Well... OK.  I stand corrected.  I said it was my opinion. Actually most of these systems can modulate either hi or lo beam (rider's choice?) from 20 - 40 % and 100% which gives the appearance of hi beam - lo beam shift. Still irritating and attention getting all at the same time. I have experienced occasions where oncoming drivers would pull over and stop when observing a modulated headlamp. In particular, I don't like being followed in a group ride by a bike with modulated headlamps. Very distracting. But, I have to agree that I also would rather irritate somebody than have them run over me.  A similar argument is used for loud (or non-existent) mufflers but I really do question the validity of that argument. (E.g. bumper sticker - "Loud Pipes Save Lives")

As a user of the modulating system, you are probably aware that there are some states that limit modulator usage to daylight hours. Not all modulator kits have included an ambient light level detector. It would not be much fun to attract L.E.O. attention as the sun sets.

Ride Safe - modulator on or off!!!  I can easily tolerate it... Most of the time Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question   Quick question I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 16, 2016 5:20 pm

To be legal a modulator in the US or Canada must have a sensor that shuts the modulation off at a predetermined ambient light level. Usually that's just as dusk begins. After than until the sun's up again the high beam will not modulate. In normal light a bike's headlight might be annoying but not blinding unless you have some HID system which won't work with most modulators anways. The modulation is properly done on the high beam only so one can quickly shut it off if needed by dipping the headlight beam.

I've used Kisan's path blazer modulator on several of my bikes, they have simple plug and play systems for most bikes and are reliable. You can adjust the ambient light modulation threshold without tools too.
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