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smellybeard
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PostSubject: Slip, shudder, whoosh.   Slip, shudder, whoosh. I_icon_minitimeSat Sep 26, 2020 11:53 am

I'm fairly new to scooters in general and I don't know the different messages my SW is telling me.

At take off, the clutch (or belt or whatever) is slipping for a bit longer than it used to. As whatever it is reaches 20-30km/h there's a shudder through my old creaky plastics and it grips up and drives properly. There doesn't appear to be any slip as I give it beans at higher speeds.

I've never liked the action of the clutch; it needs too much engine speed to engage and when slowing, it cuts at too high a speed. Low speed manoeuvrability really suffers.

Edit: There's about 45,000 miles on it and I see no mention of a clutch in the service history. Belt is less than 5,000 miles old.
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PostSubject: Re: Slip, shudder, whoosh.   Slip, shudder, whoosh. I_icon_minitimeSat Sep 26, 2020 12:57 pm

First things first, take the clutch apart for a look-see. It might just want a clean and sanding of the shoes or it might need a full strip clean. If none of that works you might be into the dark arts of spring weights and stuff... but I'd bet it just needs a clean.
What speed is the clutch dropping out? Mine is about 10mph on a closed throttle, so for slow speed stuff its balancing rear brake and throttle to keep things balanced.
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PostSubject: Re: Slip, shudder, whoosh.   Slip, shudder, whoosh. I_icon_minitimeSat Sep 26, 2020 1:37 pm

steve_h80 wrote:
First things first, take the clutch apart for a look-see.
I'm a 'never do today what you can put off til tomorrow' sort of mechanic. I'd rather not get into the gubbins of anything unless I think something really bad might happen. I've a Ducati Pantah asunder in the workshop and I'd rather not have another bike opened up unless it needs it now.

This is more of a 'do I need to plan for a clutch job' enquiry. Is this what they behave like as they begin to go?

Clutch is dropping out at up to 20 mph but usually 12-15. I prefer to look inept than trail the back brake. That technique doesn't make enough difference to seem worth it to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Slip, shudder, whoosh.   Slip, shudder, whoosh. I_icon_minitimeSat Sep 26, 2020 6:42 pm

You could try an "Italian" tune-up. Hold the brakes on and give it some revs for a few seconds, that will start the clutch engaging and you will heat up the shoes and (maybe) burn off any glaze there. When you get that familiar hot brake shoes smell you (and your clutch) will be done.

It certainly does sound like your clutch needs a little love; if you have a variator holder and some sockets, it's one bolt to pull the belt off then the clutch is out with one more bolt. Maybe your clutch shoe pivots are stiff and not opening out to engage nicely as they should. Or the shoes may have not much friction material left, or the surface is glazed over.

(Sorry, Italians!).
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PostSubject: Re: Slip, shudder, whoosh.   Slip, shudder, whoosh. I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 27, 2020 12:08 pm

The clutch on my 08 SWing engages and disengages at 2,000 rpms. It doesn't really matter at what speed I'm going but slowing down or taking off it is 2,000 rpms.
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PostSubject: Re: Slip, shudder, whoosh.   Slip, shudder, whoosh. I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 28, 2020 4:01 am

Actually that makes more sense than my statement because the clutch engagement is revs and speed dependent, not just speed.
Except going up Hardnott Pass, or anything equally ludicrous, when there are a lot of revs, much clutch slipping and a lovely, expensive smell!
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