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PostSubject: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Thu 04 May 2017, 18:07

Recent trip to Clingmans' Dome, highest point in TN---out of balance or out of round on front at about 60mph. Bothered me. Same tire I had added extra "Ride On" before, but end result didn't totally fix problem.

Got home, took front wheel off----broke bead, both sides, got tire on one side free from rim----Fix.....move yellow spot (LIGHTEST SIDE OF TIRE) to exactly where it lined up perfectly with valve stem. I had not done that perfectly on last tire change. Put tire back on rim, using air from compressor to seat bead---wheel back on bike. Added no more "Ride On"----test rode=all ok.

My conclusion after over 80,000 SilverWing miles: these things are extremely front tire sensitive, either balance/out of round/ over or under pressure or just tire---MyTire IRC 3-4 months old "Ride On" balancing medium, I keep inflation pressure at 29 psi, cold ---when everything right, front wheel goes fine just a little wrong and it can be felt.Had same experience, front tire sensitive, with 2 new Burgman 400's I had.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Thu 04 May 2017, 18:54

Are you saying that the OEM tires on both your Burgmans and Silverwings acted as if they were "unbalanced or out of round" if the tire pressure wasn't spot-on? Or did this condition present on replacement tires which you mounted yourself? 

Prior to this you have made it a point of saying that you depend soley on Ride On (an excellent product) to balance your new tires and do not static or dynamic balance your wheels.

Presumably all OEM wheels are balanced at the time of manufacture.

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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Thu 04 May 2017, 19:11

All, either re-placement or original act differently based on inflation. Most are not out of round in my experience----this case I talked about, probably most my fault, not perfectly lining up yellow dot, and not checking static balance before adding "Ride On'----which bike shops often miss, too, my additional experience with bike shops and scooter wheels/tire...they often cannot or do balance scooter wheels.


For years I used Chin Shin (not longer on US market) on various bikes---they were so uniformly made good static balance could be obtained simply by moving tire on rim
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Fri 05 May 2017, 13:27

Each tyre change I have, I remove the wheel, take wheel to motorcycle tyre dealer. Stand and watch as old tyre removed, rim cleaned, new valve fitted, tyre fitted and balanced. Only trouble I have ever had is with recent Power Pure Michelin tyres. I think because of tread pattern on centre of tyre it throws it out of balance, I found reducing tyre pressure by three pounds helped but, I can't wait to wear these tyres out and get back on Bridgestones.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Fri 05 May 2017, 15:23

Agree on Michelin Power Pure on front of SilverWing----took one off front at about half life---just did not like the "feel". Probably the ability to feel or bother with the feel comes from long time riders who have ridden a lot, often in bad weather, too.... and are riding their Silver Wings a lot under same conditions.

BUT I love Power Pure on rear---only scooter tire I have found lately the WEARS ROUND its entire service life. I expect 10,000 miles of life from this tire. AND "feel" remains pretty much the same during this life.

My current SilverWing is 2013, bought as leftover, maybe one of the last made, judging my date stands on some plastic parts. Earlier I had 2009 SilverWing, again bought new, Honda recommended Bridgestone Hoop---I didn't like the facts that #1 rear didn't last very long and #2 wore Square!!
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Fri 05 May 2017, 18:10

I didn't like my IRC OE tires. Rear is square at 6,200 miles. Front is very noisy when turning, sounds like bad wheel bearings.Wheel bearings are fine. 2013 left or as well. Had some strangle balance , wobble issues also. Good grip never felt them slip unless pushing it hard once.
Replaced rear with MICH PP last weekend, front this weekend. I hope they wear evenly at least.

I mount and balance my own tires. I'll find out soon enough if weather permits. Rain, rain forecast for next week.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Fri 05 May 2017, 18:58

What is wrong with riding in bad weather??
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Sat 06 May 2017, 08:52

I just put a new Shinko on the back of my scoot, the Hoop was below the wear bars at about 5,000. I had no balance stand and there was no indicator of a light spot so I just put the tire on and rode - it was perfectly fine. I have since bought a balance stand and weights when I do the front that WILL get balanced.

I was at a dealership and a guy brings his cruiser in for service. He complained that when the service was done last year which included new tires that the weights fell off the front tire on day two and that made him angry that he paid for a balance he essentially didn't get. The guy in service asked why he didn't bring it back and he said he was too busy. I asked if he noticed it was out of balance and he said no, but he paid for the balance so he was mad. I think unless you ride at high speeds often that balancing a tire may be a waste unless the tire is seriously out of round.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Sat 06 May 2017, 09:30

Ldalehazelton wrote:
<>I had no balance stand and there was no indicator of a light spot so I just put the tire on and rode - it was perfectly fine. I have since bought a balance stand and weights when I do the front that WILL get balanced.<>

Seems to me that, with the front end is raised and the caliper removed, that the front wheel would spin free enough so that it could be balanced while still on the bike.

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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Sat 06 May 2017, 11:52

In the UK there is a maximum speed limit of seventy miles per hour. Most of my riding is done on country roads usually at fifty or sixty m.p.h. Having wheels balanced at tyre change just makes sense to me, and we have a minimum tyre tread depth of one point six mm, so, basically we don't run on bald tyres. With the mileage I do it means I change both tyres at least once a year.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Sat 06 May 2017, 16:52

You can't balance a tire accurately on the bike too much drag from seals and bearings.
I have a Marc Parnes balancing tool super low friction bearings, cones to fit hubs. Very accurate down to 2 grams. $115 or so but if you do your own tires pays off in 2 sets.  
I've used it for years well ahead on cost.

Mounted front today. CRAP. Slipped off machine scratched rim. Live and learn!!!!
Balanced with 20 grams not bad.

Installed fork springs Hyper Pro. Went with Bel-Ray 15W oil. I hope this works for me. If its too harsh I'll try a lighter oil. Northeast weather is Crap this week.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Sat 06 May 2017, 20:54

Old Limey wrote:
In the UK there is a maximum speed limit of seventy miles per hour. Most of my riding is done on country roads usually at fifty or sixty m.p.h. Having wheels balanced at tyre change just makes sense to me, and we have a minimum tyre tread depth of one point six mm, so, basically we don't run on bald tyres. With the mileage I do it means I change both tyres at least once a year.

Tread depth for UK is 1.6mm for cars but only 1mm for motorcycles over 50cc.
Personally anywhere near 2mm and they're gone.

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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Sun 07 May 2017, 05:04

I stand corrected. As you say anywhere near the wear marker and new tyres it is.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Wing front tire sensitive...maybe overly   Sun 07 May 2017, 07:53

One thing I have noticed on both SilverWing 600 and Burgman 400---they both have rear weight bias, heavy in rear, light in front especially loaded and underway. Design fault/problem---not going to change on out of production SilverWing, nor on Burgman 400...that we still get in US.

My fix=watch loading/watch front tire (pressure/balance/wear) and be careful.










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