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tinman
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PostSubject: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:57 am

I just had the safety done,and on my way to the registration office.I was parking moving at a very slow speed when I taped the rear breaks,they locked up,and I slid forward and drop my sw ever so slowly to the ground . NO damage, only my pride.When I use the front break,they don't lock up,But the left hand breaking along is wicked. Is this normal.
Now the seat that is some thing else. I slipped off like I had step on a babana peel.It seems that Honda did not get it right.I did not speak of this . But I want to now if the front breaks had been cross connected.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:11 am

The left lever activates BOTH front and rear brakes. It is a very common mistake for anyone who has ridden motorcycles for any length of time -- it is NOT a clutch lever.

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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:38 am

I realies that .The front caliber has 3 pistons witch one is connected to the rear ,and two pistons are connected to the right hand lever . the front right lever does not lock up at low speed.I just thought 2 of the pistons could
have been connected by mistake.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:26 am

tinman wrote:
I just had the safety done,and on my way to the registration
office.I was parking moving at a very slow speed when I taped
the rear breaks,they locked up,and I slid forward and drop
my sw ever so slowly to the ground.


You just had a safety done and were riding your Swing in December in N. Ontario?
Are you for real, or relating a story that happened some time in the past?
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:44 am

It happen on oct 1 .That is about the time I pict it up .It was an even
swap for my piaggio 250 mp3 witch I payed$3500 for in june and a 97
Artic cat 440 that I payed$2000 for 6 yrs a go .I think I got a good deal .
I did not have time to look at silverwing to busy putting on 2500kl3 weeks of riding.
I had no problem since the first time. It could of bean my fault .Right
front lever feels soft.I will look at it in the spring,when I put my mods.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:50 am

tinman wrote:

Right front lever feels soft.I will look at it in the spring,when I put my mods.


How soft?
Can you squeeze the right lever all the way to the handlebar?
Tapping the left lever or either lever for that matter at slow speed should never lock the rear brake as you have an '09 with ABS, don't you?
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:27 am

With the right lever at 20kl ph lever compress to half and come to a stop
with reasonable time.
With left lever,it will stop very fast,like I don't need the right side to stop .
When I slip off the seat using the left lever,it happen so fast ,it through
me in the handle bars . I blame it on the shape of the seat sloping forward,and the fact that I have two knee replacement, could to blame.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:35 am

That sounds strange, as the right lever does the most stopping, 2 of the 3 pistons on the front brake.
Do you have ABS or not?
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:57 pm

Yes its a 2009 with ABS .That is why I was wondering if the break lines
had been crossed . Or is it normal to get a weak response when the right
lever is only used
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:08 pm

I feel that my 'scoot (2011 ABS) is the same, I tend to use the gentler right lever for slowing and both levers when I want more rapid stopping. I have no problems with this.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:12 pm

tinman wrote:
Yes its a 2009 with ABS .That is why I was wondering if the break lines
had been crossed . Or is it normal to get a weak response when the right
lever is only used


I only use both levers at the same time, the way the Swing was designed to be operated. During a very tight low speed U-turn, I may give a touch of left lever only for stability while still slightly on the throttle. I have never had any grabbing or locking of the rear wheel when doing that.
Was your ABS warning light ever lit while driving indicating an ABS failure?
These kinds of things are so hard to diagnose. If no ABS warning lights I'd say it was a case of driver error. Maybe you just grabbed the left lever too damn hard?
Try using both levers only together next Spring. That's the way the brakes should be operated.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:01 pm

Yes I alway come to a stop with both hands on the levers .But it is possible
as I was sliding of the seat ,my reflex could made me slam into the bars,and to lose control .I cant see no other reason for my mishap .
WE will blame it on the old guy. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:09 pm

The abs light do not light up.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:18 pm

tinman wrote:
The abs light do not light up.



?????? Why should it?

Surely it only illuminates when there is a fault! Also on self test on start up.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:08 pm

Waspie wrote:
tinman wrote:
The abs light do not light up.



?????? Why should it?

Surely it only illuminates when there is a fault! Also on self test on start up.


The OP originally said his back wheel locked up and pitched him forward.
To quote:
"I was parking moving at a very slow speed when I tapped
the rear breaks,they locked up".

With ABS, any wheel should never lock up. Hence my question, was the ABS fault light on?
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:22 pm

What I ment to say ,that with the left hand lever,the front and back wheel lock up. Sorry for the confusion ,and the ABS light did not show that a fault,
was in progress.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:46 am

As for slipping off the seat, I certainly hope you (or the Honda dealer) did NOT use Armor All on the seat. That makes your seat slippery and way to easy to slide off!! Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:07 pm

No did not use Armor all on the seat .I use it on my tires only.The previous
owner might have for sales appeal.I bought it 200 miles south from here.It was a good deal for me and bought it on the spot without driving it .It was raining hard and on a gravel road. Had it safetied on monday,
and rode to the registration office on the same day.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:21 pm

And it's in hibernation until early April?
Did you winterize it properly, as in change the oil and filter , add stabilizer to the fuel and/or use premium fuel for winter storage, leave the fuel tank full, leave the bike on the centre stand, remove the battery to a warm place, and put the battery on a maintainer once a month? Some people lower the tire pressure for storage as well. I don't.
Anything I forgot?
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:10 pm

Last year I changed the oil and filter and my brother in law, a Goldwing owner, told me to put 1/4 cup Miracle Oil in the gas. Charged the battery once in winter. It seems to have worked nicely.

This year, I am going to try to ride during nice winter days.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:11 pm

The scooter is on centre stand,front tire on a piece of plywood,put stabilizer,
# one fuel,ran for 15 minutes,trickle charge battery,place in cool place in basement .I read that if you change oil in the fall, come spring you still
need to change oil again.It may not have been the right thing to do .With
5000kl on my sw and the oil looked clean ,I was going to do it in the spring.
Did not lower air pressure,I figured the cold to do it .
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:29 pm

I also removed the spark plugs ,an injected fogging oil in the cylinders ,
cranked it over for 15 seconds,to swash the oil around and to push out the excess oil out,and install the plugs.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:51 pm

Very thorough, tinman.
Good job!

There really is no reason to change oil again in the spring if you did it in the fall when winterized the bike. There will be no accumulation of acids or water in the oil, as the engine has not been run. It's the acids in the oil that kill the oil's additive pack. The oil itself never loses its lubrication qualities unless it's been overheated and starts to coke.
Or pepsi.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:42 pm

Is it possible to drain the engine cold.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:55 pm

tinman wrote:
Is it possible to drain the engine cold.


It's possible but of little advantage. With cold oil a lot of old oil will be left behind, clinging to bearings and other friction surfaces. It's the bearings that are the problem. The acids eat away at the bearing surfaces, causing pitting and corrosion. Hot oil flows much better and will take all the contaminants out with it. If you didn't change your oil this fall, do it immediately next spring when you first drive your scooter. From then on, change the oil and filter right after your last ride of the season when the oil is still hot.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:24 pm

I have some full synthetic 5w4o on hand just need to pickup filter.Im going to town tomorrow,and I could pick one up ,and put battery back in to warm the engine and do a proper winterizing.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:31 pm

It would be a good idea. Make sure the engine comes up to fully warm (3 bars on the temp gauge) before turning it off and changing the oil. Make sure to restart the engine once the fresh oil and filter are in to distribute the new oil throughout the engine. Let it run another minute or so before shutting off and pulling the battery. Your bearings will thank you for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:40 pm

Yes I believe my bearings will thank me to,and I thank you to for the good advice.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:04 pm

tinman wrote:
Yes I believe my bearings will thank me to,and I thank you to for the good advice.


You're most welcome.
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PostSubject: Re: Embarrassing moment    Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:35 pm

Came back Timmins ,70kl away .pickup oil filter. Walmart ,and CT store,
don't carry them.Pick one up at Maslack supply . They could not fine a listing
on honda Google site.So we went to forum site and were abel to cross reference a WIK 51356 filter for a ACURA 02-04 Chrysler import .There was
two different length, I chose the longer one .I will do my oil change tomorrow.




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