Advice wanted

Being new to s/wings i would like some information.The problem is that when i start off there seems to be some grumblings and vibration around the front end which dissapears once you have started moving,also vibration on hard acceleration,could it be that it's just how the twin cylinder engine is and that it's normal for this type of scooter.My 125 yamaha Majesty single cylinder and 1200 vmax v four are both smoother.Any information would be appreciated.

vmaximus wrote:

Being new to s/wings i would like some information.The problem is that when i start off there seems to be some grumblings and vibration around the front end which dissapears once you have started moving,also vibration on hard acceleration,could it be that it's just how the twin cylinder engine is and that it's normal for this type of scooter.My 125 yamaha Majesty single cylinder and 1200 vmax v four are both smoother.Any information would be appreciated.

Age of the bike? Had it serviced recently? MOT?

I have only limited experience on my scoot too, but it is a smooth ride I find, not as smooth as a 4 cyl will give you, but good enough.

vmaximus wrote:

Being new to s/wings i would like some information.The problem is that when i start off there seems to be some grumblings and vibration around the front end which dissapears once you have started moving,also vibration on hard acceleration

Very common on the stock Swing. The root cause of the problem is the gearing of the engine through the front variator. Gearing change on the front variator occurs too quickly, resulting in the engine running below its torque peak. This results in loading the engine at too low an rpm, resulting in shuddering and shaking.
There are 3 common remedies to raise engine rpm on initial takeoff and acceleration:
1) Use lighter rollers in the front variator
2) use more efficient sliders in the front variator
3) replace the front variator altogether with a J. Costa variator

First it does not hurt anything.

I demo rode the SilverWing that I bought----the shaking up to about 35 mph bothered me at first----then, so what, Hondas do not break very often. Has warranty.

May have gotten smoother as the miles piled up.

I have had 8 rubber band drive scooters---Drive Line on SilverWing shakes most.
TMAX was smoother but much more complicated mechanically. I think 250 cc is about tops for this type of drive line to work well-----My 125 (new) Daelim in Korea was smooth, took a lot of abuse----in spite of heavy city and commercial use belt trouble on scooters there is very uncommon.

John Grinsel I generally do not modify bikes as Honda is smarter then I am on their own products.

john grinsel wrote:

I generally do not modify bikes as Honda is smarter then I am on their own products.

I tend to disagree. If they were so smart, why didn't they install HyperPro type springs as standard equipment?
You can't tell me that the stock springs are safer than the HyperPro's (less brake dive, more precise cornering).

bigbird wrote:

john grinsel wrote:

I generally do not modify bikes as Honda is smarter then I am on their own products.

I tend to disagree. If they were so smart, why didn't they install HyperPro type springs as standard equipment?
You can't tell me that the stock springs are safer than the HyperPro's (less brake dive, more precise cornering).

+1
Honda, and all the other manufactures, fully support the efforts of aftermarket engineering.

john grinsel wrote:

mechanically. I think 250 cc is about tops for this type of drive line to work well-----
John Grinsel

A come on John -- what about the DAF CVT heavy trucks?

I remember the DAF cars----which were kind of a joke. DAF trucks, big ones, are all over Europe, I am unaware they have rubber band drive, and if they do probably much more complicated than the SilverWing simple system.

In context of scooters, once a again I say, based on experience, 250 seems to work best for this kind of application------both Yamaha TMAX and Suzuki 650 Burgman have more complicated applications, the TMAX actually has 2 clutch system, one wet, one dry. I put 11,000 quick miles on my TMAX and got rid of, seeing expensive maint. down the line. My 400 Burgman was also not exactly smooth in power application---and they had series of clutch troubles......maybe brought on by unknowing owners.

Having wasted lots of money over the years trying to modify stuff that didn't seem to work right----I now find it cheaper simply to buy something else and get the experience-----So far Helix has been best rubberband drive scooter with the built in trunk and easy to change drive belt----buffeting just as bad as other scooters.

John Grinsel

My nephew has just had a Honda GL 500 Silverwing (1982) given him.He has had the spark plugs out and when he turns on they spark constantly.When he tries the starter it stops sparking altogether even though the engine turns over fine.What on earth is going on!?

Derekhadley wrote:

My nephew has just had a Honda GL 500 Silverwing (1982) given him.He has had the spark plugs out and when he turns on they spark constantly.When he tries the starter it stops sparking altogether even though the engine turns over fine.What on earth is going on!?

The GL500 Silver Wing is a totally different machine.

Look at the picture at the top of the sites page then look at your relations GL500!!!!

Miles apart. This site is dedicated to the 600cc Silver Wing maxi scooter. Automatic transmission etc.

Sorry to disappoint but the info you need will be found elsewhere unless someone on here HAS a GL500 too!!

OOPS!! Sorry and thanks for prompt reply.He phoned me as he lives away so I haven'y seen it and don't know any different!
May get some info now.All the best.Dek

bigbird wrote:

john grinsel wrote:

I generally do not modify bikes as Honda is smarter then I am on their own products.

I tend to disagree. If they were so smart, why didn't they install HyperPro type springs as standard equipment?
You can't tell me that the stock springs are safer than the HyperPro's (less brake dive, more precise cornering).

I see both points. Honda makes a good reliable product that will function well for MOST people. In addition price is a variable; cost must be kept down to keep in line with competition (Suzuki etc.). Aftermarket products can fine-tune the machine for a persons' need so is a very important part of the experience.

Example, a lot of people on here change out the stock windscreen for a Givi. Personally I must be the right size et al because the stocker causes me no grief. BUT I would like to change out rear shocks at some point!

Derekhadley wrote:

OOPS!! Sorry and thanks for prompt reply.He phoned me as he lives away so I haven'y seen it and don't know any different!
May get some info now.All the best.Dek

No probs Dek. Hate to someone waiting for a reply when one may not be forthcoming.

Good luck finding the info.