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PostSubject: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2021 1:11 pm

This is what happened today to one of my drive cover bolts whilst tightening. It's one of the three 8 x 65mm.

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It was tightening up nicely but was still below it's usual torque. It went with a 'crack' and I thought the head was going to fall off, leaving the shank in the casing. Phew!

I loosely inserted one of the other bolts into the hole and the thread in the casing seems to be OK. I guess I'll find out when my new bolts arrive! affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2021 4:22 pm

Boy, you sure dodged the bullet on that one.
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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2021 6:37 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2021 7:59 pm

That sure would have sucked to have it break off in the hole. I've had that happen before but not to my SWing. It was a bummer.
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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 27, 2021 10:21 am

You got the NASCAR lucky dog free pass on that deal.
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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 27, 2021 12:18 pm

Yikes that looks like a stretch bolt from a cylinder head. To do that torque is way to high. I'd check your settings newton meter or foot pounds and calibrate the torque wrench. A Newton meter is .7376 ft lbs if mixed up you can be 30% over torqued
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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 27, 2021 1:09 pm

I did wonder whether Honda had used stretch bolts but at £1.67 each it doesn't sound like it. It must have have been overstressed by a previous owner and then finally gave up. I wish Honda had included a torque setting for those three cover bolts.

I normally tighten them to a 'snug' torque using a short handled ratchet......what?..ratchet?....yeah, it's a bit bigger than a mouse turd!

Anyhow, new bolts are now leaving the factory in Japan getting ready to board the ship for their long voyage to the UK. Gosh, I miss the days when dealers used to have this stuff in stock.

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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 31, 2021 3:24 pm

Yes, you were really lucky that didn’t break off and remain in the hole. I guess that I’m lucky because here in the States my local hardware store carries a very good selection of metric bolts as well as SAE so I usually don’t have to wait for the slow boat from Japan. I’ve also had some luck getting those oddball bolts and parts on eBay.
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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 31, 2021 4:35 pm

Actually, in my usual impatient manner, I did order some 8 x 70 (1.25 thread pitch) bolts from a UK supplier with overnight delivery. I added some washers to make up the difference and went on a 200 mile ride with an overnight stop. All seems OK.

However, my new bolts have arrived from Honda so I guess I ought to do the right thing. Still wish I had a specific torque value though Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 01, 2021 3:58 pm

My Factory Service Manual has a listing of torque values by bolt size in the general information chapter.  I guess the assumption is that all bolts used of that size will carry the same torque value regardless of where they are used on the scoot unless otherwise stated.   

If you have a FSM, perhaps check there?
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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 01, 2021 5:10 pm

sonuvabug wrote:
My Factory Service Manual has a listing of torque values by bolt size in the general information chapter.  I guess the assumption is that all bolts used of that size will carry the same torque value regardless of where they are used on the scoot unless otherwise stated.   

If you have a FSM, perhaps check there?

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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 01, 2021 5:12 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeSat Nov 06, 2021 5:35 am

Sorry guys, I only just caught up with this. Thanks.

Am I to take it that the three bolts in question are the '8mm flange bolt and nut', i.e. 26Nm (20lb/ft)?
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PostSubject: Re: Whose a Lucky Boy Then?   Whose a Lucky Boy Then? I_icon_minitimeSat Nov 06, 2021 7:50 am

This is a "been there ...done that" kind of story. But I was lucky as well. I snapped one of the rear caliper bolts when not believing my torque wrench. It was tight enough and to the listed torque requirement; But maybe just a little more might be better ?! Nope ! "Crack! " I was able to take the broken piece out from the other side with vice grips. "PHEW"! indeed. And as Loosemarbles found, the local dealer had no stock for the bolt. I found something that worked at Princess Auto. It could have been so much worse an experience.
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