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lloyd193
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PostSubject: Dry threaded fasteners   Dry threaded fasteners I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 02, 2017 12:59 pm

Threaded fastener clamp load,

Only an inexperienced novice would argue that a non lubricated fastener would exert the same clamp load PSI, As a lubricated fastener at a given torque.

I have limited this information to one sentence so that you educated types do not become more confused.

Happy motoring Lloyd 193.
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PostSubject: Re: Dry threaded fasteners   Dry threaded fasteners I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 02, 2017 7:09 pm

Please don't start a new topic to continue the dust-up from the other topic.
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PostSubject: Re: Dry threaded fasteners   Dry threaded fasteners I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 03, 2017 11:49 am

Not having had any mechanical training, I got confused by all the technical stuff. In my simple world if you think a nut MAY come loose put thread locker on it, I neither know nor care about anything else.
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PostSubject: Re: Dry threaded fasteners   Dry threaded fasteners I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 03, 2017 8:09 pm

lloyd193 wrote:
Threaded fastener clamp load,

Only an inexperienced novice would argue that a non lubricated fastener would exert the same clamp load PSI, As a lubricated fastener at a given torque.

I have limited this information to one sentence so that you educated types do not become more confused.

Happy motoring Lloyd 193.

I am not aware that anyone "argued" that, perhaps instead your reading comprehension skills need to be addressed...
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PostSubject: Re: Dry threaded fasteners   Dry threaded fasteners I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 04, 2017 4:39 pm

in the 198o's Triumph (cars not bikes) part of the British Leyland group built a Honda car under licence and assembled in the UK using Honda parts. due to honda cars of that period being liable to the dreaded tin worm the 'engineers/accountants decided they would rustproof the body with waxoyl, this was prior to assembly. The cars were then built using settings supplied by Honda Japan, very quickly there were reports of suspension mounting bolts found stripped an coming loose.

Had the waxoyl (or whatever product was used) been applied then the torque settings would have not been a problem, as it was the captive nut was lubricated so did not need as high a torque setting, hence the problem.

This is true and not made up, lets face it, you couldnt make it up could you ?
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PostSubject: Re: Dry threaded fasteners   Dry threaded fasteners I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 04, 2017 5:02 pm

phils a winger wrote:
in the 198o's Triumph (cars not bikes) part of the British Leyland group built a Honda car under licence and assembled in the UK using Honda parts. due to honda cars of that period being liable to the dreaded tin worm the 'engineers/accountants decided they would rustproof the body with waxoyl, this was prior to assembly. The cars were then built using settings supplied by Honda Japan, very quickly there were reports of suspension mounting bolts found stripped an coming loose.

Had the waxoyl (or whatever product was used) been applied then the torque settings would have not been a problem, as it was the captive nut was lubricated so did not need as high a torque setting, hence the problem.

This is true and not made up, lets face it, you couldnt make ti up could you ?

Thank you for telling us about this Interesting occurrence, Many variables inter into all fastening assemblies, Fasteners are nothing more than clamps, Designed to hold objects in place with millions of applications. Our Silverwing Axle assembly is a very low stress application, In my years of experience, If properly lubricated and Torqued, A trouble free assembly. Most reported cases of loose Axle nots are simply a case of a low Torque application allowing movement of the rear wheel in relation to the Axle, A loose nut.

Happy motoring Lloyd 193.
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