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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sat 20 May 2017, 18:29

I come late o this conversation; I've been away this weekend (still in the hotel now - home tomorrow) riding with a group of a dozen like-minded maxiscooter riders. There are Hondas, Suzukis and Piaggios, all capable of keeping up with one another, even on the rare bits of 60MPH roads.
We ride positively but leisurely so as to be able to appreciate the countryside through which we ride without taking our eyes from the road.
Speed and performance are irrelevant; some of the group use their bikes to commute as well as for pleasure. Others, like me, use them just for pleasure.

As for the 'Drag Racing' bit - so what?
I've built front- and rear-engine rails and raced them, built and raced Altereds, crewed for bikers, Funny-Cars and TF cars, raced abroad and enjoyed every minute of it but it sure ain't got anything to do with Honda Silverwings.
In any case, who are the most successful drag racers? Those with consistently reliable cars. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sat 20 May 2017, 19:01

I understand you are the Authority on that Condition.
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sat 20 May 2017, 22:34

Meldrew, your comment is out of line.

Wasn't it you who's said on several occasions, "[Attack] the post, not the poster".  

Lloyd193 has posted some very informative and original information regarding variator upgrades and has used his access to drag racing facilities to test and document his upgrades. I'm the person who asked for more specific information regarding how he accomplishes his upgrades as well as how much he would charge to do similar work for any one of us. He never tried to "sell" anything in his posts.

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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 02:30

Cosmic_Jumper wrote:
Meldrew, your comment is out of line.

Wasn't it you who's said on several occasions, "[Attack] the post, not the poster".  

Lloyd193 has posted some very informative and original information regarding variator upgrades and has used his access to drag racing facilities to test and document his upgrades. I'm the person who asked for more specific information regarding how he accomplishes his upgrades as well as how much he would charge to do similar work for any one of us. He never tried to "sell" anything in his posts.

Tim

Yes it probably was, and yes I have said that, but all this waffling on about we lesser mortals not understanding performance, lifting the front wheel, seeing off Harley Davidson's, Malossi this and that etc...

For what? The Silver Wing has long been considered an old blokes maxi and there's nothing wrong with that. You've had to have ridden a maxi scooter or two before you appreciate it's qualities. Even the ex bikers who came late to the party and once would have sneered at the Silver Wing are now converts.

So what's so interesting about variator upgrades and all this other performance junk for a maxi scooter that is more of tourer than a crotch rocket.  I'd be interested to read what you need this extra uumph for and why indeed you need it at all?  

Do you really need to lift the front wheel ? I certainly don't, the only time I need to lift the front wheel is manually to get at the tyre valve, which llke the rear is now angled and a far more useful mod than any go faster bit.

I already already have the power on tap to accelerate past and push through the turbulence when overtaking trucks, enough performance to comfortably cruise at 60 to 80 plus mph with more on tap. Hours on any motorway or German autobahn are something my straight out of the crate Silver Wing takes in it's stride, solo or with a passenger and luggage. So are hills, twisting and sometimes cruddy country roads, and heaven forbid in the cold, wind, and rain.

That tells my more about the ability of my Silver Wing than playing throttle jockey against the clock down a drag strip with a few bolt ons.

As I've mentioned before, if I was new to maxi scooters and the Silver Wing and believed everything I read or was told on here, I'd be needing bits from J.Costa, Dr Pulley, a Power Commander, maybe a H.I.T clutch, K&N air filter, a new silencer with a big logo prominently displayed on it, contra springs whatever they are, and of course those HyperPro fork springs for 'blasting through the twisties'.

Now I can add Malossi White Springs to the list, Malossi a name synonymous over here with spotty teenagers tarting up their 'peds to make them even more noisy and annoying. They sport their Malossi stickers/decals with pride. Their drag strip is any straight road in any town or city.


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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 03:24

I must say that I'm rather bemused over the rather unpleasant abuse that's been voiced towards a new member who's simply offering an insight into the modifications he's decided to carry out on his own bike, I'm rather surprised Lloyd has continued to post on here. Quite what the issue some members have with Lloyd is lost on me, why on earth people are unable to simply read his posts without criticising him personally is to me unacceptable.

So what if someone else decided to modify their own property in a manner that doesn't appeal to you? Does it matter? Do you really need to be a keyboard warrior? Would it not be better to say nothing at all than to be abusive?
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 03:44

Well if nothing else it's taken a rather boring topic to two pages, we could always discuss Pippa Middleton's wedding.
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 04:56

Javel wrote:
I must say that I'm rather bemused over the rather unpleasant abuse that's been voiced towards a new member who's simply offering an insight into the modifications he's decided to carry out on his own bike, I'm rather surprised Lloyd has continued to post on here. Quite what the issue some members have with Lloyd is lost on me, why on earth people are unable to simply read his posts without criticising him personally is to me unacceptable.

So what if someone else decided to modify their own property in a manner that doesn't appeal to you? Does it matter? Do you really need to be a keyboard warrior? Would it not be better to say nothing at all than to be abusive?

Agreed, and if there weren't people who pushed the boundaries of what is possible, then we'd all be worse off.
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 05:25

Meldrew wrote:
Well if nothing else it's taken a rather boring topic to two pages, we could always discuss Pippa Middleton's wedding.

I didn't get an invite either Sad Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 05:59

The FJS/FSC Silver Wing is a now discontinued maxi scooter that's been around for the last 16 years, it's a good choice for touring, but it's now dated, heavy, and early ones are not particularly economical. Neither is the engine Euro 4 compliant.

Even the 2009 onwards SW-T versions are just cosmetic upgrades of the the original. Put either version against the modern crop of 300cc scooters, and both lack their standard kit like full LED or daytime LED lights front and rear, spotlights, even traction control is standard on the Yamaha X-Max 300. They are all at least 100lbs lighter, and owners are hardly likely to be disabling the side stand cut out switch because they have difficulty hauling it onto the main stand.

So throwing money at your Silver Wing on go faster mods will of course improve it and give the Silver Wing and your ego a boost, but it still won't improve it's resale value one bit.
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 08:29

Meldrew wrote:
we could always discuss Pippa Middleton's wedding.
Why does it have to be headline news?? People with more money than sense trying to better others with the amount they can spend on something that may not even last the year!  Rolling Eyes
Every time it's on I feel as though I'm losing the will to live! Sleep Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 12:15

There are a couple of members here that sound like they spend as much time a maxi pad as a maxi scooter! Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 12:38

The simple fix for rear valve stem is short conventional stem. Can be reached from left side for pressure checking, inflating.
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Sun 21 May 2017, 17:39

Pipa who?
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Mon 22 May 2017, 04:04

lloyd193 wrote:
I understand you are the Authority on that Condition.

If that remark was directed at me - it followed directly after the post I made - it is a statement I do not share.
My point is that using specialist references to Racing with regard to the Silverwing without knowing the many backgrounds of  members is a foolish thing to do. Far from creating an aura of awe (is there such a thing?) it produces a 'so what?' feeling of detachment, a feeling shared by more than a few readers here if appearances are true.

[Edited to join up two parts of a sentence; I edited the post so many times before I posted it it became a jumble which, after my looking at it again with fresh eyes, needed sorting out. No meaning has been changed (or animals hurt in the making of this masterpiece of English prose)]


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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Mon 22 May 2017, 05:25

MikeO wrote:
lloyd193 wrote:
I understand you are the Authority on that Condition.
Far from creating an aura of awe (is there such a thing?). It produces a 'so what?' feeling of detachment, a feeling shared by more than a few readers here if appearances are true.

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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Mon 22 May 2017, 08:14

It seems that this topic has become fractured and contentious. 

I'm Putting the topic in "Time Out".

Tim
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PostSubject: Re: Increased Performance   Mon 22 May 2017, 13:57

Tim, in the UK we call that the Naughty Step  Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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