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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:07 pm | |
| Doug, I get that to...I call it a BRAIN FART. |
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regors Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 27 Age: 54 Location: Okanagan Valley North of 49º Points: 1110 Registration date: 2009-02-15
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:16 pm | |
| Hey Dennis, I created my Trailer Plan in a program called "PhotoShop" This frame was designed for the "Thule Sidekick Box". If I had it to do all over again I would reduce the width by 2", this would bring the sides in closer to the box and also reduce the overall weight. I would also like to point out that your trailer tongue length as measured from the axle forward should be between 1.5 & 2 times the width of your axle wheel center's. This will stop any fish tailing and your trailer will follow like a dream. Good Luck With Your Project  |
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exavid Silver Wing Rider

Number of posts: 412 Age: 69 Location: Medford, Oregon Points: 1376 Registration date: 2009-07-17
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:55 pm | |
| I have several friends who pull some pretty large trailers with their Goldwings, one of them has a 500lb camp trailer. The big 'Wings handle the loads well though I wonder about the load on their brakes with a 500lb. trailer and riding two up. There are a couple of reservations I'd have with trailer hitches such as those shown on this thread though. First off it looks like there's only one little bolt carrying the tongue weight in shear, that's the bolt on the lower right side. That one is going to get some pretty high shear loads on it due to the fact that the hitch is riding on an unsprung part of the scooter. Sudden shock loads can be pretty high. The only other reservation I'd have is the fact that the cross over tube is also going to have some torque loading due to the fact that only the right side, that lower bolt, is holding the hitch up. Other than thre point hitches on tractors the only trailer hitches I've seen used on automotive applications all attached to a part of the vehicle that was suspended by the vehicles suspension system, not on the unsprung parts. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:20 pm | |
| regors, thank's a bunch for your drawing. That will come in handy to me and alot of other people on this forum if they decide to go this rout. One more thing I need to ask you about is the trailer suspension. What did you use?
Thank You very much
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exavid, Thank's for your observations. The shear bolt (6mm) was a concern of mine also. I replaced it with a hardened bolt and the rest of the hitch should just be fine the way it is.
DennisB
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exavid Silver Wing Rider

Number of posts: 412 Age: 69 Location: Medford, Oregon Points: 1376 Registration date: 2009-07-17
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:43 pm | |
| I really have no doubts your hitch will serve it's purpose well. I tend to overbuild things anyway, if I'd built the thing the bike would have to have dualies on the rear end.  |
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regors Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 27 Age: 54 Location: Okanagan Valley North of 49º Points: 1110 Registration date: 2009-02-15
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:59 am | |
| Dennis, I used Torsion Axle's which gives you independent suspension, I picked them up from a company in Texas they where the lightest rated one's that I could find, rather pricey but I made up for that by getting the Thule top box for less than half price.  |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:14 am | |
| Hi regors, Thanks for getting back with me. I've been looking at torsion axle's but never found a pair that would be light enough duty for this application. Texas is just South of my location and would be a nice drive and a great state to visit again. Did you install a utility light in the inside lid of the Thule box? |
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MaxB Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 302 Age: 60 Location: Indiana Points: 1216 Registration date: 2009-10-06
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:58 am | |
| | DennisB wrote: | | Hi regors, Thanks for getting back with me. I've been looking at torsion axle's but never found a pair that would be light enough duty for this application. |
DennisB, how light are you looking for in a torsion axle?
here is a set rated at 500#. That is for the pair, not each.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200335740_200335740
They are more pricey than springs, but to each his own. I put 230# each springs on my trailer and it rides very nicely. I don't think I would go lower myself.
I also went the hARBOR FREIGHT trailer route. I couldn't get all the goddies at a cheaper price individually. This is for a 20 cu ft trailer I made. I have towed it 20k miles and it needs tires soon.
I have narrowed the frame , changed springs, LED lights. painted top of carrier white for heat inside. (sears 20 cu ft) , put on hubcaps. MaxB |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:45 am | |
| Hi MaxB, On the Harbour Freight trailer, did you find it necessray to change the tires out to a higher rate of speed type? Where they the 8" or the 12" tires. If they where the 8" how did they do? |
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fwtright Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 1 Points: 796 Registration date: 2009-12-06
 | Subject: I want to get a trailer for my SW and you have said you found a place in Quebec that sells them. Who are they and how can I contact them? Do you know of any other company that sells hitches and also small trailers in Canada?. Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:16 pm | |
| | regors wrote: | I have the same hitch as Dennis B. came from a company in the province of Quebec. Have had no problems with it towing my home built trailer which weights 100lbs empty or 160lbs loaded with my camping gear. Not much different than a passanger, I have had it cruising over 130km (80mph) follows like a dream.  You can see pictures of it in my Album. |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2111 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3353 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:33 pm | |
| | fwtright wrote: | | regors wrote: | I have the same hitch as Dennis B. came from a company in the province of Quebec. Have had no problems with it towing my home built trailer which weights 100lbs empty or 160lbs loaded with my camping gear. Not much different than a passanger, I have had it cruising over 130km (80mph) follows like a dream.  You can see pictures of it in my Album. |
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DennisB can't you ship from the north pole ._________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:53 pm | |
| Hi Bill, Yes I can but I'm not there at this moment. |
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regors Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 27 Age: 54 Location: Okanagan Valley North of 49º Points: 1110 Registration date: 2009-02-15
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:54 pm | |
| The axles I used were adjustable by adjusting the angle between the arm and the axle mount. Straight up rated for 500lbs, on maximum angle 325lbs. Either way works great for me. My tongue weight is 15lbs loaded. Load your trailers carefully. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:37 am | |
| I would like to take this moment to thank all of you for your sharing and your contributions of knowledge and experiance to this subject. We all get a little smarter and wiser when good people like you'll help one another to get projects completed. I know I will be referring to all this great information as time goes by. Thanks again, |
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MaxB Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 302 Age: 60 Location: Indiana Points: 1216 Registration date: 2009-10-06
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:59 pm | |
| | DennisB wrote: | Hi MaxB, On the Harbour Freight trailer, did you find it necessary to change the tires out to a higher rate of speed type? Where they the 8" or the 12" tires. If they where the 8" how did they do? |
No I used the original tires, Repacked the bearings (just have shipping grease in them) and I run 20-25 lbs. in the tires.I have the 8 in. tires. I also got some 230# each leaf springs to replace the originals. (about $12-15 ea.) MaxB |
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DaveR Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 186 Age: 75 Location: Scottsbluff, Nebraska U.S.A Points: 1265 Registration date: 2009-02-19
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:02 pm | |
| Dennis, I looked at all the "pros & cons" your hitch looks good to me. If you have very small trailer like the ones pictured, should be o. k. I like your last coments about us as a people. I think the Lord gave us the ability to reason and to think. Not just for a hat rack.............. Old Dave |
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oldtrucker Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 1 Age: 64 Location: St Paul Mn Points: 764 Registration date: 2010-01-07
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:06 pm | |
| Dennis B I'm new to the foreum and i was looking for info on hitches for the swing I'm building a trailer to sleep in hard sides about 250 lbs to pull with my swing, I want to do a 20 western states ride of about 6000 mi in 20 days as a retirement trip, my design is aerodynamic and i'm a retiring truck driver so i understand about braking, and weight, i know honda does not recommend it thats their problem. But for years I've seen 250 helixs pulling trailers on the interstate. any advice would be greatly appreciated. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:42 pm | |
| Hi Oldtrucker, First...Welcome to the forum. Best one on the internet, I like to think and that's because of all the great people we have as members. I'm no trailer pulling expert but it sounds to me that weight (or the lack of) and balancing the load to get it off the hitch is the key. 15 lbs. no more. If you get the time, post some pictures of your rig. I'm sure alot of people would like to see it. |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2111 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3353 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:27 pm | |
| | oldtrucker wrote: | | I'm new to the foreum and i was looking for info on hitches for the swing |
What type of specific information are you looking for on the hitches - for example :
- attachment - receiver types - specifications?
| oldtrucker wrote: | I'm building a trailer to sleep in hard sides about 250 lbs to pull with my swing, I want to do a 20 western states ride of about 6000 mi in 20 days as a retirement trip, my design is aerodynamic and i'm a retiring truck driver so i understand about braking, and weight, i know honda does not recommend it thats their problem. But for years I've seen 250 helixs pulling trailers on the interstate. any advice would be greatly appreciated. |
I would expect the specifics of the trailer can/will have an effect on the SWing handling.
If you have a wide tire base and you are traveling through a curve, I would expect the ball receiver would be forgiving to a certain point allow the trailer to remain flat but the SWing leaning ... but what happens after that point? Is the SWing prevented from leaning further?_________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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dspevack Site Admin

Number of posts: 1041 Age: 47 Location: Miami, FL Points: 2374 Registration date: 2008-12-27
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:34 pm | |
| DaveR Check this link. Exploring its links might give you some insight into camping trailers behind a bike. http://silverwing.org/cgi-bin/topic_show.pl?tid=444 _________________ I ride on two wheels cause I feel very unsafe on one wheel.Dan in Miami. The king of custom! Check out my bike mods hereReality is irrelevant. Its perception that counts. Control people's perceptions, and you control their reality. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:42 pm | |
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ultralight Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 16 Location: Loudoun County, VA; USA Points: 1137 Registration date: 2009-01-14
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:20 pm | |
| | DennisB wrote: | If you need a hitch, let me know and I will build one for you. $190.00 and I pay for the shipping.
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You'll be getting a PM/e-mail from me in a month, or so, Dennis. I'm saving up for this one (just like I did for the ArmRests).
Thanks again, Ultralight |
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Chief Rider Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 108 Age: 57 Location: Willow Springs MO. Points: 1167 Registration date: 2009-04-14
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:30 pm | |
| Hello Dennis I wouuld like to purchase one of the trailer hitches and light connector. How do we transact this transaction. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:39 pm | |
| Hi Chief Rider, Thank's for your interest. I just sent you a PM on theordering details. |
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thomphoto Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 188 Age: 74 Location: Owensboro, Kentucky Points: 1208 Registration date: 2009-06-11
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:18 am | |
| I'd kinda like to have one of these hitches on my swing just as a "rear bumper". Chromed and with no ball, I think it would look cool and be functional as well. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:35 am | |
| Hi Thom, The hitch would work well as a bumper. I just wish I could chome plate stuff, that would look nice. |
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MikeO Site Admin

Number of posts: 1587 Age: 62 Location: Western Europe Points: 2621 Registration date: 2009-06-29
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:57 pm | |
| Any updates on the hitch? _________________ Mike - Riding on the right - riding for pleasure!
'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
www.x9ownersclub.co.uk - for all Maxi-Riders who want to RIDE!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:03 pm | |
| Mike, Do you want one for your scooter? If Yes. I would need to look at shipping charges to your home. |
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MikeO Site Admin

Number of posts: 1587 Age: 62 Location: Western Europe Points: 2621 Registration date: 2009-06-29
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:57 pm | |
| It'd be nice, Dennis. I was interested to know how it was 'wearing'. _________________ Mike - Riding on the right - riding for pleasure!
'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
www.x9ownersclub.co.uk - for all Maxi-Riders who want to RIDE!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2300 Age: 61 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 3875 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch For SilverWing Scooter Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:11 pm | |
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