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creeksidemonkey
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PostSubject: Instrument panel replacement.   Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:57 pm

Recently had a fire ant infestation of my SW instrument panel. Dismantled and cleaned out panel as best I could but now after short ride panel will go crazy and sometimes go blank. As long as SW running it's ok. Once turned off, battery will be dead and SW will not start. After recharge, it will start and run fine until switching off. Battery one year old. Any suggestions for replacement purchase site for instrument panel?
I have seen prices in $380 - $490 range. That about right?

***Warning to Southeast USA SWingers.*** SW had only sat 4 days since last ridden in driveway with no visible ant mounds in area. I do HVAC/electrical repair and have found them in every kind of electrical device. NEVER imagined this scenario!
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:04 pm

I would insure that the charging system is operating before I purchased another Combination Meter. There are meter-test procedures outlined in the FSM for both the Stator and the Regulator/Rectifier.

Is it possible that whatever (chemical) you used to eradicate the ants may have caused short circuits on the Meter board or wire harness connections? Can you clean the board and connections with an electrical contact cleaner?
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:44 am

Used air pressure to clean panel, put panel in freezer overnight then used air pressure again. Immediately put in dryer on low heat to remove any condensate. Isolated panel for 5 days and used air pressure again.
Will check into electrical contact cleaner. FSM stands for?
Thanks much for the suggestions!
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:52 am

FSM = Factory Service Manual
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PostSubject: Instrument panel replacement.   Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:03 pm

Not sure if you think the instrument panel problem is related to the battery problem but I think it is highly improbable but more of a
coincidence. If the battery is only one year old you may have the same problem as before. As suggested have the charging system
checked out. I have only a limited experience with Fire Ants but you may have gone a little to fare to rid them. Instrument clusters can be sensitive to extreme temperatures. As the saying goes keep it simple. Keep us posted,it is going to be interesting. Howard
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:21 pm

If you need a swing clock set non abs i have one that the outer black casing is broken due to being dropped the internals are all good showing 28k miles its from a 2003 scoot that i have broken up for parts UK scoot
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:28 pm

Thanks again for the tips, suggestions, info. Hope to address issue this weekend.
Where can you source an FSM?
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:16 am

Honda dealers can order them. I got mine on eBay. Maybe Craigslist.
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:26 am

creeksidemonkey wrote:
<>Where can you source an FSM?  
As sonuvabug suggested, Ebay. Here is a link to a recent discussion regarding FSM: http://www.silverwing600.com/t8595-workshop-service-manuals#95157
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Sat May 13, 2017 11:50 pm

Finally.
Got a fsm from Helm for $74 in February and took Howards/Cosmic Jumpers advice and checked out charging system per fsm. Swing would start and run fine after full charge and resting on Battery Tender but would only show 12.15 volts while idling and then start a slow drop in voltage until instrument panel would start acting up. Turn off ignition, swing wouldn't start. Put on Battery Tender for 3 days, start swing, same  result. Checked stator and meter indicated it  was bad ( dead short on all three leads). Ordered a new stator from Babbitt on line and finished install today. Meter showed 14.61 volts at idle for 10 minutes.  Rode to my daughters for supper and home (about 20 miles). No problems.
 I guess the fire ant invasion and stator death at same time was just  a coincidence. I can't see any reason for the two being connected? Is there?  (Had to replace a switch at a pool and an hvac contactor for two different clients this past week that had been shorted by fire ants)

Can't thank you guys enough for the advice!
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Sun May 14, 2017 7:37 am

Happy to hear that you've resolved the problem. But what measures can you take now to keep those fire ants from revisiting you Silverwing?

Tim
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Sun May 14, 2017 3:23 pm

creeksidemonkey wrote:
Finally.
Got a fsm from Helm for $74 in February and took Howards/Cosmic Jumpers advice and checked out charging system per fsm. Swing would start and run fine after full charge and resting on Battery Tender but would only show 12.15 volts while idling and then start a slow drop in voltage until instrument panel would start acting up. Turn off ignition, swing wouldn't start. Put on Battery Tender for 3 days, start swing, same  result. Checked stator and meter indicated it  was bad ( dead short on all three leads). Ordered a new stator from Babbitt on line and finished install today. Meter showed 14.61 volts at idle for 10 minutes.  Rode to my daughters for supper and home (about 20 miles). No problems.
 I guess the fire ant invasion and stator death at same time was just  a coincidence. I can't see any reason for the two being connected? Is there?  (Had to replace a switch at a pool and an hvac contactor for two different clients this past week that had been shorted by fire ants)

Can't thank you guys enough for the advice!

I had the same instrument cluster/engine stops behaviour with my '03 Burgman 400, pulling and re-inserting the main fuse reset everything 'til the next time--turned out to be a burned terminal in the starer solenoid/main fuse block assembly. The assembly was rigid mounted to the frame but the supply wire out to the harness was just floating about--spade connectors don't like vibration.

I wired in an inline 30 A fuse to bypass the fuse block main fuse:


We have fire ants here in Saint Augustine, however just in the ground/rotting stumps/etc. I have not found them invading any equipment but will keep an eye out. They are nasty SOBs, I stuck my hand into a nest under my workshop while pulling a 240 V feed for a new welder--that was a couple months ago and just thinking about makes my hand burn and itch...

I get lizards in my well controls now and then--usually they just get cooked up and foul the contacts a bit.
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PostSubject: Re: Instrument panel replacement.   Sun May 14, 2017 8:05 pm


I use poisons sparingly but I put a 15 foot ring of death around the swing's parking spot. Amdro, Ortho powder/granules and topped them with Tractor Supply pyrethrum spray. We'll see.
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