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PostSubject: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Fri 01 Apr 2016, 15:58

I've put on 8,000 miles since last year and just noticed the yellow light came on right a 16,000 miles.
My friend and I were prepared thanks to the forum and I just ordered it today. I don't know what kind of reputation
scotterpartsco.com has but we will see how good it is when it arrives. I called them today and it seemed so far legit and they have
a good selection of Malossi parts. Best part was the $117.00 dollars shipped to the house.
https://scooterpartsco.com/honda-scooter-parts/honda-silverwing-600


i haven't seen much on the kevlar belt or any reviews, so I thought this would be a good time to start a thread on them.


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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Fri 01 Apr 2016, 17:58

The belts Honda fit at the factory have Kevlar in.

Other companies use the 'Kevlar' bit as a sales gimmick.

My observation of discussion on a variety of forums is that most riders find the factory-fitted belts are the longest-lasting so replace like with like.
They may cost more but offer much better value for money.

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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Sat 02 Apr 2016, 09:05

Good luck with new belt. I used OEM belt from Partzilla:

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-23100-MCT-003.html
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Sat 02 Apr 2016, 12:21

OEM would be $125.98 incl. shipping (to my address) from Honda Parts House. I don't know what a dealer would charge OTC or if it would be available in stock.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Sat 02 Apr 2016, 16:07

You can pick them up on eBay for $117 including shipping.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Mon 11 Apr 2016, 20:54

Belt arrived today in the mail with a half dozen malossi stickers. So it's all legit and good. Looking at the malossi variator too from what I saw on you tube that makes the swing hit that sweet spot right out of the gate and perfect torque range too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll9zNKYNork
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Tue 12 Apr 2016, 01:13

I just went through the whole "Is an aftermarket belt better" thing too, I noticed a lot of the use of the term "Kevlar Belt".....The thing is as MikeO points out, ALL of them have "Kevlar" cord for the tensile members, as ALL belts have had for the last 30 Years, it's called Aramid fiber. Kevlar is simply DuPont's trademark for their fibers. Timing belts, serpentine, and V-belts all have been using aramid fiber for a long time.
It's like a label on milk that says "No Caffeine", or "Gluten-Free Rice"
Either a belt has brand name aramid fiber or it has generic brand fibers.

What would be interesting would be the new carbon fiber belts Gates is doing for snow machine racing, although I doubt the difference would be measurable on a 50-60 hp drivetrain ....
Maybe the lighter wallet in your pocket would increase your performance!
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Tue 12 Apr 2016, 09:34

ozzman wrote:
Belt arrived today in the mail with a half dozen malossi stickers. So it's all legit and good. Looking at the malossi variator too from what I saw on you tube that makes the swing hit that sweet spot right out of the gate and perfect torque range too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll9zNKYNork

Please keep us posted on all your Malossi upgrades. We're interested in seeing your results as compared to the experiences and results many of us have had with Dr Pulley Sliders and OEM belts.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Wed 04 May 2016, 12:08

No problem CJ.
I'm gonna take her in and drop her off at the shop later today after the rain goes away.
The 24gr. rollers came a couple weeks ago. So I set an appointment to fit her in Thurs. to do service and adjust valves, put on new malossi belt with malossi rollers, new front michelin sc tire and brake pads up front. By buddy bought a 2003 reflex last fri. and goes to find out driving it home the speedo cable gears started going nuts on him and the shop I took mine to hosed the guy twice on repairs with the speedo cable at the same shop I'm going to. My other buddy with the swing took it there to have a back tire put on and messed up putting the wheel not putting in back on the rear axle right. I'm getting the impression they F*** stuff up too much. The other honda dealer hosed me before and I'm never taking it back to the other shop in town.

So what do I do?

There 3rd shop scratched up my rear swing arm behind the muffler trying to pry of my rear tire without taking off the muffler first.

Here is my stock Tach/mph results before up grade.

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8000 100
7000 90
6000 80



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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Wed 04 May 2016, 13:55

This belt stuff interesting....and modify drive line----anything other than OEM waste of money----I speak from now about 400,000 rubber band drive scooter miles....and only one broken belt underway.

OEM belt lasted me up to 20,000 miles with new SilverWing.

Bike shops who never or seldom work on SilverWings can really screw things up.I do own work in most cases, except warranty

I buy my parts only from local Honda dealer---they have done warranty work for me,too. Just ordered matched set of tires, there, too---mail order doesn't pay if there is trouble

Note:at But 40,000 miles will change belt again and rollers/sliders, this time let Honda do it.....incase other little parts in drive line worn out or fall out at that mileage.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Wed 04 May 2016, 15:33

ozzman wrote:
    So what do I do?      

Learn to do it yourself

It seems like you've got 3 dealers in your area who've screwed things up. And you've got two other friends with Silverwings who've also suffered the consequences of doing business with these incompetent s.o.b's.

So you you could split the cost of a FSM and, with the help of Jeff's tutorials and the good folks here on the forum, the three of you could figure out how to do 90% of the things which need be done.

FWIW In all the years I've owned and followed the Silverwing forums I have never heard of anyone actually needing the valves adjusted. If you are so anxious about the valve adjustment be prepared for a major labor bill from any dealer --and given your recap of the competence of your nearby dealers, be prepared for them to screw up more than they will actually repair.

Learn to change your belt. Learn to remove the wheels; take the removed wheel to a dealer and have them replace the tire. Save an extra $100.

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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Wed 04 May 2016, 18:24

Well, finally something I can speak to. I have two Honda Dealers; one 30 miles north, another 30 miles east. The folks in the East store have been my GO TO folks. I went to the North store and was treated as a waste of their time. The couldn't even supply a standard 5 snap face shield for the helmet. They didn't get off their chair to look for one, didn't offer to order one, didn't offer to direct me somewhere else. So I gave my 500.00 to the East store for tires and brakes. East store tells me that the North store is their best advertisement. From what I can tell, I'm the only guy with a Swing within 100 miles - so I'm by myself. The Factory Service Manual is very good, and I have plenty of tools. Not afraid to get into it when needed. Not that intimidating - if you have the FSM. Visors come from Amazon now.

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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Wed 04 May 2016, 23:35

Well you could be right CJ.

But from what everyone tells me is the manual says 16,000 miles for valve inspection.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Thu 05 May 2016, 04:41

Ozzy, read the advice you have been given. You do not need to check the valves. I am on my second Silver wing. I did 40,000 mls on my first one and never once did a valve check. If you have tools and basic mechanical knowledge then "get stuck in" as we Brits say. I have never let anyone service my bikes. I bought my present Silver wing in July 2014. Iam about to fit a new belt and Dr Pulley sliders at 16,000mls. It really is not that hard if you read the manual and take your time.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Thu 05 May 2016, 09:52

FWIT, my last Honda CRV had a 100,000 mile valve INSPECTION interval, my daughters 2003 has over 250,000 miles and was checked once, no adjustment needed. Engines have come a long long way and our S'Wings being water cooled have a distinct advantage over the air cooled engines in that department. A winter down time inspection may relive your thought about something that may not need attention at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Thu 05 May 2016, 18:59

Thanks for the advice everyone.
I just got back from picking up the scoot at the shop.

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.

Those new rollers and belt fixed my issues.
You're guy's were right.
They said the valves were still good and didn't need adjustment or brakepads yet.
No more turkey sounds like gobbling when taking off or dieseling sounds.

The new tire is even an improvement over the hoops.
All said and done Belt Change, Valve Check, Tire, Oil change, Filter, Gear Oil, Plugs, Total cost came to $403.00. Labor was only $185. $100 for Tire. $50 for mount, balance ans disposal.Figure in the $150.00 the belt and rollers cost and total comes to nearly $550.00.

RPM MPH
4000 45
4500 55
5000 65
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Fri 06 May 2016, 20:52

The lower weight rollers actually dropped your speed at 6000RPM from 80MPH to 75MPH. Next time try the Dr. pulley 24gr sliders. It will drop you RPM by 500 at 60 & 70 MPH and still give the acceleration you desire.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Sat 07 May 2016, 17:36

The mph varied a bit but this was what I got today.
Still haven't max-ed it out. But not much has changed on the tach side of things.


Sure seems like it hasn't effected my top speed yet of 115 when it was stock.

RPM MPH

5500 75
6000 80
6500 85
7000 90
7500 95
8000 103

I made a video showing the brief lag at take off and how the tach jumps to 5500 RPM shortly after takeoff and keeps going until it reaches a 100 mph.

http://tinypic.com/r/2h32y4p/9
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Sun 08 May 2016, 01:49

That 'brief lag' is actually built into the ECU. It prevents getting full HP until the bike bets moving, somewhere around 8mph. The idea was to prevent wheel spin or wheelies. If you go to full throttle rapidly from a standing start it's pretty obvious when the ignition advance cuts in. The exhaust sound will suddenly change from a muffled to a more open sounding tone.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Sun 08 May 2016, 07:30

IMHO spinning tires and or wheelies = earlier more drive train problems. BUT it's y'alls equipment to do with what you please, me the fewer problems the better. Heck I 'n even supposed to lean over a running engine.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Sun 08 May 2016, 15:13

I don't brutalize my machinery but I do have fun with it and am prepared to repair that which needs it. Lucky for me I have the tools to do just about anything on a motorcycle that needs to be done. I will say my Harbor Freight bike lift sure helps with my advancing age. Getting that bike up off the floor is a real help.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Wed 21 Sep 2016, 09:53

I'm starting to re-think going with the 24 gr. rollers. They do make the scoot hit the sweet spot quicker, but the draw back is after doing a 1200 mile road trip and finding out the down downside of higher gas usage. I'm using as much as 3/4 gallon more in a 100 miles than my buddy on his stock 2013. Over all the fuel issue isn't a big deal, but when we were running 90 mph on the interstate those 7000 plus RPM's made her drink gas. Fuel consumption was down to 33 mpg on one tank. Running at 5500 RPM I get 45-50 mpg.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Wed 21 Sep 2016, 10:11

A 2013 Silver Wing has better fuel efficiency than a 2006 model especially at your high Interstate speeds. The early Silver Wings over here in the UK had a reputation of being thirsty beasts, even now you have a hard time convincing someone who owned an earlier model that from ’08 onwards they became more fuel efficient.
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PostSubject: Re: Malossi Kevlar Belt   Wed 21 Sep 2016, 15:45

Meldrew wrote:
A 2013 Silver Wing has better fuel efficiency than a 2006 model especially at your high Interstate speeds. The early Silver Wings over here in the UK had a reputation of being thirsty beasts, even now you have a hard time convincing someone who owned an earlier model that from ’08 onwards they became more fuel efficient.

Meldrew,
I did not see an improvement in gas mileage when I replaced my 2002 Swing for a new 2013 Swing. They both had the same shield, top box and sliders. Kept my speed to 60 mph. Still get around 50 mpg. I am not sure if the O2 sensor needs maintenance. DennisB mentioned that his sensor was plugged due to some engine oil he used and had to clean his sensor, but he did not mention how he did it.
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