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PostSubject: Turn signal / Running lights   Tue 03 Nov 2015, 10:00

Howard, your sig line mentions that you've converted your rear turn signal lights to dual-filament bulbs so that they now function as running lights as well. Can you please explain how you accomplished this; how you replaced the bulb socket, and with what, what size (#) bulb, etc.

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PostSubject: Turn signal -running light   Tue 03 Nov 2015, 12:30

Be glad to Tim.You can buy a generic dual filament socket complete with a short length of wiring at most autoparts stores. I prefer the bayonet type socket. Some sockets are just round and do not have a index to match the opening.This type is easier to work with. If not you may have to rework(dremel tool) the opening in the taillight housing (necessary to remove the housing). It was not as big a deal as it may sound. I used the older bayonet(1157) type bulb. You want to use the brighter filament in the bulb for the turn signal. Just attach it temporary to find it.
Two years ago the 1157 bulb was slightly amber but this year they made a Red diode bulb and I can tell it really gets there attention by the way they back off.
I also like the idea of a extra light in the back.It makes the S/W outstanding from the rear. Please do not hesitate to ask questions. Howard
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PostSubject: Re: Turn signal / Running lights   Thu 05 Nov 2015, 17:11

Ok, so I checked my turn signal socket and it looks pretty specific to the tail light body --given the O-ring and locater tabs.,Are you saying that you found a 'generic' 1157-type,tail light socket that will replace the entire OEM socket and fit the turn signal body with a little dremel work, or did you find a 'generic' dual-contact metal-sleeve replacement socket that will fit into the existing Silverwing turn signal socket with a little dremel work? If the latter, did you also drill out the existing (contact) base of the OEM socket?

Is there any way you are able to find out the manufacturer & part # for the socket(s) you used?

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PostSubject: Turn signal / Running lights    Thu 05 Nov 2015, 23:30

Your first scenario describes my application.If I were to do it again I probably would modify the new socket and leave the S/W tail light housing as is.The replacement sockets where of a plastic material.It has been about three years but I will see if I can find some paper work.A added benefit of changing to LED bulbs that use less amperage is a much brighter and faster flashing turn signal. Howard
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PostSubject: Re: Turn signal / Running lights   Fri 06 Nov 2015, 20:16

I haunted several auto parts places today looking for a suitable 3-wire socket to convert to rear turn signal / running lights. I didn't have much luck. Later I did an on-line search for conversions. While most posts cautioned that it is illegal to use amber lights as rear running lights I did come across several circuits which use diodes and resistors to allow OEM 2-wire sockets to be wired as 3-wire turn/running lights. Here is a link to a circuit: 

https://www.google.com/search?q=turn+signals+running+lights+jpg&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#hl=en-us&q=turn+signals+running+lights+&imgrc=RTZ5ptZ1W-CwBM%3A

The diodes control the direction of voltage while the resistors (in the running light branch) reduce the current to the bulbs to limit the running light brightness. Full bright when turning; less bright when running.

Nevertheless, I'd still like to find a 3-wire socket to replace the rear turn signal.

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PostSubject: Turn signal / Running lights   Fri 06 Nov 2015, 23:07

The amber lights are not correct for rear lights but searching for too years I was on able to find a red double filament bulb. In too years I had never been stooped but was glad when I found they came out with a bright red diode bulb.Today I found a socket at Oreilly Auto Parts. If you go to there site and look at there search box, type in #85860 and you will a suitable socket with no other modifications. It has fingers that can be adjusted to the opening. It also has a terminal for a ground wire if necessary.No other wiring is necessary. The diode bulbs are a little pricey but worth it. Howard
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PostSubject: Re: Turn signal / Running lights   Sat 07 Nov 2015, 11:17

Thanks for that socket info Howard. I see that the socket, and part #, is a Dorman product, so I ahould be able to find it locally..

I take it that you now have red running lights and bright red turn signals. Or did you somehow manage to find an 1157 LED which emits both red and amber light? I did locate amber 1157 LED bulbs at Pep Boys @ $20/pair. Plus another $10 for load resistors to 'modulate' the flash frequency. I'll have to go back to see if they have red 1157 LEDs.

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PostSubject: Turn signal / Running lights   Sat 07 Nov 2015, 13:42

Both turn signal and brake lights are the same red dual filament LED bulb.No load resistor is required. The LED use less amps and blink faster and receive more attention. Oreillys also have the LED bulbs.  See what they would charge to ship both or find the nearest location.  Howard

p.s. Pep Boys might have both items.
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PostSubject: Re: Turn signal / Running lights   Sun 22 Nov 2015, 21:23

Howard, Thanks for your input on the running light conversion.

I located a suitable dual pin socket on eBay here: http://stores.ebay.com/CamZoom-Mall?_trksid=p2047675.l2563. As you can see it is almost the same configuration as the OEM single pin socket but it does require a bit of trimming of the locater nubs to fit the turn signal housing. I used a pair of red 1157 bulbs which seem alright but I'm probably going to go with those Pilot brand 1157 LEDs because they'll be much brighter as running lights during daylight hours and significantly brighter as turn signals.

That the sockets were ~$7/pair with free shipping was a real bargain. The red 1157 bulbs were $6/pair vs $20/pair for the LEDs. I suspect that I'll also add load resistors to the circuit too so that the turn signal flash rate returns to 'normal' when I change to LEDs.

Great idea. Thanks again.

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PostSubject: Turn signal / Running lights    Mon 23 Nov 2015, 20:08

No problem Tim. I actually like that the lights blink faster with out the resistor,it seams to really to get there attention.I think you will be amazed on how bright the LED's are. Howard
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