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PostSubject: Topbox Which One To Get??   Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:15 am

Hi All,

A lot of my fellow Silverwing owners have Top Cases or Top Boxes installed. I need your honest opinions as to:

What Top Case did you purchase?

1. Over all quality of the materials and workmanship used to manufacture.

2. Top half fit and water seal quality.

3. Top hinge material and strength.

4. Key, what is it made of? Plastic or metal?

5. Did you need to purchase the back rest separately?

6. The quality and size of back rest for the passenger.

7. Finish: Painted or other? If painted quality of paint.

8. Lights installed and do they work well or are they a flop.

9. Electrical connector for lights. Did it come with the Case installation kit?

Please post a thread to where others can purchase.

Thank You for your time,

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:28 am

I have standard Givi 35 litre box on mine Black ABS plastict metal key shank set in a plastic fob. Detaches from the Givi carrier rack with the push of a button. There is also the option to fit a brake light but to be honest it's not wort it.

Mine is an E350 Flow now obsolete by the looks of things. Takes a full face or flip front helmet and a pair of gloves. So buy a 45 litre is my advice.

http://www.givi.co.uk/cases/

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:18 am



Link: JC Whitney

They have several models, I have both the medium and the Xlarge(equal to 52L). Plastic fob-metal key (x2), universal locking mount, no extra lights. Material is heavy duty ABS plastic / matte black finish. The box is 100% waterproof and seals nicely (One of my VT trips was in the pouring rain and everything inside was bone dry. Hinges are plastic and the backrest is included and made of hard molded plastic. I have the GIVI TB19 so pillion never touches top box. Overall fit and finish is very good, it performs as well as other boxes at twice the price. I have made modifications that add running lights and additional stop lights via two 20" led strips mounted inside the curved reflective piece you see shown. A pictorial can be found here with aux light modification.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:15 pm

I've had three Givi boxes, two Monolock ones and a big Monokey one (E52) which will be put on the Silverwing.
My two old ones are still going strong on friends' maxis after 6 years.

Highly recommended here. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:49 pm

I recently installed a Givi V46 Monolock topcase. Very well made and looks great. Will hold two full face helmets. There is an optional brake light kit but I,m not interested in it and an optional backrest. It also comes in different colors if desired. Pricey, but you get what you pay for in my opinion. I bought it from a local bike shop I frequent. Google it for a picture.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:22 pm

IMO...The Givi's are the probably better (due to the ridiculous price!)
But I went with the Bestem box! (like the JC Whitney one...)
lots of room,comes with lights in it...(but not very bright....)
Doesn't leak in rain... has cheap backrest,but never used...
Key is metal...fits nice, but may be hard to replace,as I know someone who tried to get replacements from Bestem,with no luck!
for the price you can't beat it!
http://www.cruiserbackrest.com/product_info.php?products_id=402
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:38 pm



The GIVI is the most mature product, and the cadillac of the boxes.
They also make the largest boxes (55L) and appear to have the most accessories.
But some people are very happy with the others.
A company called admore makes additional lighting kits for the GIVI.

http://www.admorelighting.com/index.php?page=products/index.php&subpage=12

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Last edited by DennisB on Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:54 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Picture was to big)
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:30 am

I got a Bestem 929(?) top box because it was large and cheap. Plus had a small brake light built in. It mounts like all the rest I guess and locks down tight.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:04 am

It seems to me....looking back, that one of our Lady silverwing riders had a brand of top case that is not shown here. Any body remember what that was. It looked like a nice case with a good size back pad.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:45 pm

Do many of you have the Honda version, ie http://www.doble.co.uk/content/pdfs/Accessories/silverwing.pdf
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:57 pm

I want one but at around £250.00 it's way too much money.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:38 pm

Here is a box I looked at on eBay. Have any of you known anyone that has one. I'm willing to try something new. It looks like it would work well with my arm rests kit. It's not that big L16"xW15"xH12" (inches) and it looks sturdy to me, comes with lights. Kinda looks like the back end of a ford car.

The old words of "You get what you pay for" comes to mined.

It looks like it is a simi-perment mount.

O'well just looking.

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:59 pm

wingnprayer wrote:
Do many of you have the Honda version, ie http://www.doble.co.uk/content/pdfs/Accessories/silverwing.pdf


I was looking at your link, and what I find funny is that the picture used for the heated grips is not of a Silverwing.
Not only is the button configuration wrong, but can you imagine
how many people are going to look at that and start searching
for the hand shield that is attached in the picture?

As to your question, Honda used to offer a box with swing-around arm wrests, and that made it unique. Without them, it is an overpriced item and even GIVI is more cost effective.
The only reason to use that part at that price, is because top cases sourced elsewhere may make shipping prohibitive.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:20 pm

Shad
http://www.shad.es/
http://www.binetto.com/SHAD-Motorcases/
http://www.cycleluggage.com/shad_top_cases.html

Emgo
http://www.emgo.com/main_layout.html
http://www.cycleluggage.com/emgo_trunks.html

Saddlemen (Saddlebags and Hard Top Case)
http://www.saddlemen.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=239_398

DMY Motorcycle Trunks (Harley Style)
http://www.mutazu.com/products.php?cat_id=1&menu=DMYTrunkSeries&s=prod.php

VIP Trunks
http://www.mutazu.com/products.php?cat_id=2&menu=DBTrunkSeries&s=prod.php

Safebet Trunks
http://www.a1hardbags.com/motorcycle-trunks/un-trunks/cat_9.html

JN Motorcycle Trunks
http://www.a1saddlebags.com/jnmolutrhoya.html

Many more links and sources of these trunks available. Just Google it.

The one you are looking at in the picture you described is the JN series, probably either the master supplier for VIP, or vice-versa.

I tried to find the manufacturers or at least the main distributors. If you find the actual source for VIP/JN let me know please.

Dan

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:12 am

Something important I forgot - you can't lock the key inside a Givi Monokey box/trunk! Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:37 am

We have GIVI V46 boxes for our bikes.

We don't leave them on the bikes an pretty much only use them when we travel. They are not the biggest boxes available, but since we use them for travel they are in essence our suitcases and we take them off when we get to our hotels. Bigger capacity means heavier as the load gets bigger.

As for why we don't ride with the box all the time - I don't like the extra height behind me if I can avoid it.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:05 am

Quote: I have the GIVI TB19 so pillion never touches top box

Two questions:

Is the mounting plate for the box similar to the Givi one?

If so, does the backrest bracket sit on top or is it sandwiched between the 'tail' of the bike and the box mounting bracket?

Thanks in advance.

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:03 am

Great question Mike. The backrest mounts directly to the wing surface. Here's how I modified the top box mount. I drilled the wing for the mounting plate. I bent some aluminum "C" channels (sort of look like brackets [ ] ) giving me about a 1.5 inch lift off of the wing surface. I then bolted the top box mounting plate to that lift, raising the assembly about 2.5 inches up. This gave me the necessary height I needed for the top box lid to clear the TB19 back rest.

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:50 am

Many thanks for the detailed account and pictures!

I know now what I have to do. cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:19 am

I am thinking of GIVI box as well. It is hard to justify (for me) the cost though. If you deside to go with GIVI make sure it is Monokey (vs. Monolock) as it it designed for a lot more weight (22lb vs. 6lb). See discussion here:
http://www.twtouring.com/luggage.htm
With all Monokey boxes you need to buy a mounting plate (SR19) but universal mounting plate is included with most Monolock boxes.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:42 pm

DickO wrote:
I got a Bestem 929(?) top box because it was large and cheap. Plus had a small brake light built in. It mounts like all the rest I guess and locks down tight.


I have this 929 on my Kymco P250, and like it a lot. Planning to put one on my newly acquired 08 Swing.

Did not have problem put on the one, because the rack of my Kymco has some spaces in the middle area. So, I carefully put the base on the rack without problems. But the Swing's rack is a solid plate there. Do you have to drill holes on the rack (or crowl??) to put the base of 929 there? Do you happen to have pictures of the base on the rack? Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:47 am

Dennis,

I have the Besteem box on the SWing and like it but feel the Givi is a better box. I just didn't want to spend the money. I had the Givi V46 for my old Majesty and really liked it but it was about $400 dollars with the box and mount. I like everything about the Besteem except that it will rattle, since it isn't a tight fit to the rack, and I think the handle..that opens the box, is a bit loose too.

But since you are so good at machining that you could make it fit nice and tight. But I like the looks of the box that you posted pics of. It almost makes it look like a Gold Wing when on back.

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:00 pm

I have the big Givi top case and got the light kit also. I don't ride anyone so didn't get the back rest. I just love it. I got the shiny black top and then had it painted to match the new Red Silverwing. I think it looks really custom. I also had my gray helmet painted to match. When I took my trip it was so nice to be able to take it off and carry it like a suitcase...although it felt like carrying a small child. I had it packed up pretty good. It was expensive but I think adds value to the bike.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:21 am

I have a new EMGO 72-32440 travel trunk that I took off my 50cc scooter. Does anyone know if it will it fit on my Silverwing? I don't want to drill out the holes in the Silverwing tailpiece unless I know for sure that it will fit properly.

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:26 am

This will require you to do a bit of measuring. I'm sure that most any box will fit, but the mechanical interface between the box and the wing is the trick.

The hole pattern of the wing is easily measured by removing the wing and the plastic cover on the underside. There will be some need to fit an adapter to mate the box to the wing. You have to be mindful - the seat needs to colse with the box on the bike.

Get out your tools and a tape measure and have a go.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:18 am

JeffR, I have a BESTEM top box and it used to rattle also. I placed an 8" x 8" x1/2" foam pad on the top plate under the top box, and there are no rattles now. It also fits more snuggly and is still easy on/easy off. billc.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:07 pm

Ok....i measured and the 4 holes inside the Swing tail piece and the predrilled holes on the mounting bracket for the topcase don't line up. What now? Does anyone know where I can get an adapter to put between the two parts? FYI.....I am not a mechanically inclined female (wink).

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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:21 pm

What do you mean you are not mechanically inclined? You figured out the need for an adapter of some sort!

This is of course exactly as the GIVI folks do it. Now what should the adapter be made of? The best choice would be metal, but that requires some sort of fabrication. Or is it possible that the GIVI adapter set would work? I will check the bolt pattern of the GIVI case tonight.
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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:25 pm

RobynDSt wrote:
Ok....i measured and the 4 holes inside the Swing tail piece and the predrilled holes on the mounting bracket for the topcase don't line up. What now?


Becareful ... the top box position of the front holes may be critical for both passenger comfort and interference.

RobynDSt wrote:
Does anyone know where I can get an adapter to put between the two parts?


I am not aware of any. If your topbox vendor does not have ... then I doubt any other vendor would

RobynDSt wrote:
FYI.....I am not a mechanically inclined female (wink).


If you can make it all work ... fantastic.

If you can find someone to help make it all work ... fantastic.

Otherwise ... you may want to re-examine you options.


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PostSubject: Re: Topbox Which One To Get??   Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:28 pm

Robyn
Look up in this thread there is a post by masscoot with pictures.Look them over and see if you think you can make something like that and if not get back to us with more questions. We are hear to help.
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