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PostSubject: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Fri 17 Apr 2015, 19:37

I installed the new clutch and sliders today. affraid cheers

I am really happy with the results! It made a big difference. My bike went from being something pretty anemic on take-offs, to something really fun. I'm hoping it will help when I'm riding 2 up with my wife. I really wish they came this way or I had done this sooner. I have the progressive hyperpro springs on the front and the only thing left that I'd like to do is a leovince exhaust. I've been spending a lot of time on my other bike lately, but this I think, will have me riding the Swing more. I'd be out riding now, but it just started raining
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Fri 17 Apr 2015, 21:29

Dr. Pulley sliders are so much better than the stock rollers. I've never heard of anyone wearing a set out. Was you having a problem with your clutch or did you get the Hit for a performance upgrade? What rpm does the Hit lock up, and did you get different springs for the clutch to experiment with?
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Fri 17 Apr 2015, 21:47

It came with a BUNCH of springs to experiment with. I left the springs in the way it came. I didn't get to play with it a lot before it started raining, but I think it was locking up at 4500.

The performance upgrade is a nice bonus, but I really am trying to solve an issue. My wife and I aren't small. With both of us riding, we hit the weight limit of the bike. During the first year I had it, I used to ride with her quite a bit. It began making this aweful "whirling" sound when I would take off. I didn't know much about the bike at the time, so I took it to my mechanic. He told me that there was a LOT of dust inside the housing where the variator & clutch are. He cleaned it up and it stopped making the noise. I stopped riding with my wife because it really did feel like the clutch would slip with us both on it.

I was going to just sell it because I thought it wasn't going to be a good bike to carry both of us. My wife convinced me not to. She really likes riding it a lot better than riding on my Kawasaki. So I started looking for ways to make it work for us and came across information about the Dr. Pulley stuff.

So hopefully this will solve that problem, but it made such a difference that I'm going to enjoy riding it a lot more now no matter what.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Fri 17 Apr 2015, 22:39

Thank you for your reply/answer. I'm sure you will never regret fixing it instead of selling it. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Sun 19 Apr 2015, 20:22

We went out riding today and the Swing performed beautifully with us both on board. I am so thrilled that this solved our issue (and so is the wife).
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Sun 19 Apr 2015, 20:47

A happy wife = a happy marriage. sunny
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Sun 19 Apr 2015, 22:23

OK, MAYBE NOT A DUMB BUT CERTAINLY UNINFORMED, I'm owner #3 so how would I tell if one of the other owners installed the the DR sliders? the scoot seems to be fairly quick of the line and obtaining 60+ is quickly obtained.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Sun 19 Apr 2015, 23:12

Without knowing the mileage it's even harder to try to answer. It's usually best to give the age and mileage of your scooter when asking questions about it. Wink  
If your mileage is under 16,000 there's a good chance it still has the stock rollers in it. If it vibrates and/or squeals a little when you first take off there's a good chance it still has the stock rollers in it.
If it's smooth with no vibrations or squeals it may or may not have the stock rollers in it.
Without knowing it's history the best way to know for sure is to open the CTV up and looking. I know that's not much help but that's about all I can come up with right off the top of my head.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Mon 20 Apr 2015, 00:48

You can just take the variator apart and look. That way you will know for sure. Maybe one of the previous owners liked to play around with things and installed them.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Mon 20 Apr 2015, 07:20

If it vibrates and/or squeals a little when you first take off there's a good chance it still has the stock rollers in it.
If it's smooth with no vibrations or squeals it may or may not have the stock rollers in it.
Without knowing it's history the best way to know for sure is to open the CTV up and looking. I know that's not much help but that's about all I can come up with right off the top of my head.

cheers that describes the scoot to a T thank you, an 05 with 8300 miles on it, good lord willing and the Creeks don't rise when I do a 16,000 miles belt change I'll do sliders. Thanks to all. Al in o-HI-o
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Mon 20 Apr 2015, 08:04

I don,t have the HIT clutch ,I do have Dr Pulley 24 gram sliders for about 43 k kl now,did 30 k kl with the rollers ,there was a flat spot on the roller and affect the top end . The sliders is the way to go .The squealing comes from the driven clutch.Sanding the clutch pads at every oil change take's the squeal away. I notice that the sliders don't make as much dust and give's a longer last  belt life.I can double the life of the belt.The last belt was still  good after 40 k kl, No bad cracks on the belt.Engaging the belt slowly,before accelerating helps a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Tue 21 Apr 2015, 00:03

So, Tinman, is the scoot you're describing the one with the trike conversion? I'm asking because I have a 2007 with 14,500 miles which I presume is all stock. I have a Voyager "convertible" set of outrigger wheels, making it essentially a trike, though still driven by the original rear wheel.

My question, for two-up use, how do I know what weight sliders from Dr Pulley to try, and must I install the (expensive) HIT clutch or are there other less expensive clutch mods to try?

FWIW, I'm none too pleased with the engagement of my CVT (or clutch) as I begin to move off from stop. Sometimes funny noises; sometimes a burnt rubber smell; sometimes it just seems to be slipping in an abnormal way. Since I'm near-due for a new belt, and it's a nuisance to take the trike stuff off (or, rather, to get it all lined up correctly going back on), I would like to have One Good Garage Party and fix/replace what probably needs replenishing in one swell poop, rather than dick around with several attempts at "getting it right."

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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Tue 21 Apr 2015, 05:23

motorhead I am talking about  my my swing with a Trigg trike conversion.as for lining up the trike kit ,once the kit is lined up ,it will stay lined up when it.s remove and put back on .Yours should do the same.I cut a piece of 2x4 to fit snug between the trike wheels , I mark the centre of the 2x4 ,make a small cut with a hand saw then mark it with a black marker,aline to the centre of the driven wheel. adjust the front to line up if needed.It takes 10 minutes to remove and 10 + minutes to instal if adjustment is needed. At 30 k kl I replaced the driven variator because of small groves that made the V light come on constantly,replace the rollers with 24 gram Dr pulley sliders . I sand the driven clutch bell and the pads with emery cloth at 12 k kl oil change.I notice less belt dust between oil change . I don't follow the trike kit recommended setting ,I put more pressure on the trike wheel it give it more stability ,it give me a longer DS tire longer life . You can squeal the tire like a mussel car , I do in front of the HD boy  for there attention.my swing was named the sewing machine on steroids LOL.Most of the time I take off slow. Hope that helps you with you Voyager trike kit. Mike B.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Tue 21 Apr 2015, 05:26

PS ,you don't need a Hit clutch,save your money for gas ,it will be better spent.
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PostSubject: sliders   Tue 21 Apr 2015, 21:42

I have installed 24g sliders on my 06, take off is a lot better, crusing speed is much better also.
   Installed a Delkevic muffler? a little loud but I will grow up someday.
   I am sure you will enjoy the new sliders
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Tue 21 Apr 2015, 23:44

At Tinman: the "alignment" to which I was referring was that of the two main bolts which affix the Voyager to the underpan; drawing the trike assembly up tight in position takes some leverage I gotta work out with clamps, a fence-stretcher (come along) or some other way to get additional muscle above which my 75-year-old-shoulders and arms can easily muster.  Not until it's all the way into the neoprene-bushed forks (i.e. "aligned") will the two major bolts thread in without danger of cross-thread.

Back to the "which weight sliders would be good for my intended use of the triked Swing" question, Paul Wu recommended 28g; others here say 24.  I need a basic primer in Slider Weights 101 so I know what going in different directions affects.

Also, is there something other than the HIT clutch which offers  a simple stronger-spring mod for the stock clutch?  Is this a fix for a problem I may or not have?   As you can tell, I'm in water over my head,  Shocked and don't mind a reference to a good source to bring me up to speed.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Wed 22 Apr 2015, 00:41

Your two main bolt can be adjust by loosening the jam nut just like mine ,and by placing a mark 2x4 to aline the rear to the centre of your drive wheel  .I am not sure if you can do a oil change with the belly plate in place .For mine the belly plate connects to the motor where the centre stand would mount, and the engine guard to the motor.To do a oil change I remove the front bolts to the belly plate and one set at the back where  the centre stand was bolted leaving the two back bolt loose and drop the front of  belly plate to get at the oil plug .that takes some time , about 4 hrs. as for the sliders they all work  good ,choose the one you like.I see no need for a hit clutch IMO sanding the stock clutch pads would be my choice. I do a oil change 3 time a season and do my oil on a rainy day to past the time away.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Wed 22 Apr 2015, 10:25

motorhead30510 wrote:
<>Back to the "which weight sliders would be good for my intended use of the triked Swing" question, Paul Wu recommended 28g; others here say 24.  I need a basic primer in Slider Weights 101 so I know what going in different directions affects.

Also, is there something other than the HIT clutch which offers  a simple stronger-spring mod for the stock clutch?  Is this a fix for a problem I may or not have?   As you can tell, I'm in water over my head,  Shocked and don't mind a reference to a good source to bring me up to speed.

Stronger clutch springs will only 'cause' your clutch to engage at a higher RPM, i.e. at the power band. They wont cause the clutch to engage the clutch bell any tighter. Lighter variator weights, whether roller or slider, will allow quicker accelleration, i.e. get you to that power band faster.

An HiT Clutch will allow you to tweak the clutch to initially engage at whatever RPM you would like, but, more importantly, cause the clutch shoes to fully lock up with the clutch bell. That lock-up RPM, and the initial engagement RPM, can be adjusted using the various spring combinations which come with the HiT kit as well.

It is completely possible to set up an HiT Clutch so that you will do wheelies. Not recommended though. HTH


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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Thu 23 Apr 2015, 10:10

Thanks, Tim, for explaining the advantages offered by the HiT clutch option.

I'm still confused as to which weight of replacement sliders to choose. Performance-wise, how is a set of 24g sliders different from a set of 28g sliders?
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Thu 23 Apr 2015, 13:32

The 24gm weights will allow much quicker accelleration than the 28gm weights will. The downside of the 24gm weights is a sacrifice in top speed. So you're not going to get to 115mph, maybe only 110 mph. There is nothing wrong with the 28gm sliders. They act very similar to the OEM 28gm weights, but there is less noticeable belt slap with the sliders.

No matter which size Dr Pulley weights you choose, or which configuration (rollers or sliders), you're not going to wear them out. I have 95,000 miles on my '03, have had the same set of 28gm sliders in for most of those miles, and they show no signs of wear. Dr Pulley's are much tougher than OEM's.

Oh jeez,  Rolling Eyes did I mention that I just happen to have an unused NOS set of 24gm Dr Pulley rollers I'm willing to sell at a good price?  PM me if interested.

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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Thu 23 Apr 2015, 17:41

I just ordered the Dr. Pully 26 gram sliders. Hopefully i will see the claimed explosive acceleration and lower rpm's! I ordered them from ebay.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Thu 23 Apr 2015, 22:18

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I just ordered the Dr. Pully 26 gram sliders. Hopefully i will see the claimed explosive acceleration and lower rpm's! I ordered them from ebay.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Fri 24 Apr 2015, 01:32

Hi Yo that is why I'm still hanging onto the Suzuki, gets the bodies rpm's up. Laughing Laughing Laughing.
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Fri 24 Apr 2015, 22:45

Back to Tim's offer above of a set of "24 gram Dr Pulley ROLLERS"

Guys, I'm still lost; what's the difference between rollers and sliders? Dr Pulley makes BOTH? When would you want one over the other?
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PostSubject: Re: HIT Clutch 282001 & 24g sliders from Dr. Pulley   Sat 25 Apr 2015, 06:29

Rollers are OEM. Dr Pulley originally started producing different weight rollers for various model scooter CVTs --as does Malossi, Pinasco and others. Dr Pulley developed them using their own proprietary material that just doesnt wear out. They also developed sliding weights (sliders) which are a different shape. They slide rather than roll and cause to variator to act differently.

You can mix and match the rollers to achieve different effects, e.g. you can alternate 28gm (stock) rollers with 24gm rollers and achieve the effect of 26gm rollers. You can do the same using Sliders but you cant mix Sliders and Rollers. But of course you'd need to have two sets of Sliders to play with

While I'm sure that this doesn't quite answer your question(s) it's the best response I have at the moment.

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