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PostSubject: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:30 pm

Only the second post for this member since introducing myself last year. I have a question concerning the clutch outer (sometimes referred to as the clutch bell) installation tool as shown on page 10-20 of the Honda service manual. Pulling the clutch outer is no problem with Honda's puller 07ZMC-MCTA100 as shown on page 10-10, but my question concerns the installation tool shown on page 10-20.

It appears that the installation tool is made up of three separate pieces, the "Assembly Collar" 07ZMF-MCT0100 (USA only), the "Threaded Shaft" 07931-ME4010B and the "Special Nut" 07931-HB3020A. If this is correct, the cost of the complete assembly tool would be over $192.00 US dollars (thru Partzilla). Is this correct, are all three pieces necessary to make up the compete installation tool?

I have oil leaking from the rear drive, dripping from the bottom of the plastic cover, and have determined that neither the rear drive drain or fill plug are leaking (new sealing washers installed yesterday and both still dry as a bone). That makes the oil seal behind the clutch outer suspect. Easy job to replace the seal if I had the correct tools, but this could be a mighty expensive tool - and I refuse to do any hammering. I absolutely will not take it to my local Honda dealer, I've seen there service department. The young kid working there actually told me "yea, I think I've worked on one of those before".

Does anyone have particular knowledge of the installation tool in question and what must be ordered to make up the complete tool. You help would be very much appreciated. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:15 pm

I've used a 1 1/2 diameter piece of PVC (cut to an appropriate length), a stack of big washers and the original clutch nut. The PVC will just fit over the clutch bell threads so they wont get damaged. Put a washer or two on the shaft, run the nut up tight, remove the nut, add a few more washers then put the nut on again. Repeat as necessary until the clutch bell clears the snap ring groove in the shaft. You may have to use some means to stop the PVC from turning --I used a pipe wrench. HTH

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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:28 pm

Thanks Tim, sounds like a lot less expensive way to go. I'll give it a try. I'd still like to know about the Honda tool however. Thanks again Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:38 pm

Oops, I posted a reply to Dimonds "Driven Pulley Rebuild" earlier today in. error. It gives two YouTube links to videos about a version of that clutch bell tool you're inquiring about. Check it out. Unfortunately I can't figure out how to copy/paste that post to this thread. HTH

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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:16 pm

If you have a lathe the Italian SW forum may be of help .... http://www.silverwing400.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=83
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:38 pm

Swing13 wrote:
Thanks Tim, sounds like a lot less expensive way to go.  I'll give it a try.  I'd still like to know about the Honda tool however.  Thanks again  Smile

Dan

I've got that tool sitting in my basement. It's brand new still in the Honda plastic bag. I don't need it. The part # is 07ZMC-MCTA100
New they're $100 and up from any Honda online parts store. Ebay, they're $70 used.
I can do $50 US and you pay the shipping. And I'll throw in a set (front, rear, and parking) of brand new organic compound EBC disc brake pads (Made in England) for your Swing as well.
The part #'s for the pads are SFA281, SFA196, and SFA257/2. Is that not a deal?
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:40 pm

Hi Bigbird, I am very interested in the clutch tool and pads. I will PM you. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:47 pm

Dimond wrote:
Hi Bigbird,  I am very interested in the clutch tool and pads.  I will PM you.  Thanks!

You're now third in line. However the second person after Swing13 has made a commitment to buy the goodies. I'm waiting to hear from Swing13.
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:42 pm

Just my luck, I logged on at 3:00 pm then went on to read other forums. I come back at 9:30 only to find out I'm six hours too late. Put me at number four if everyone else drops out bigbird. Crying or Very sad Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:09 pm

Sleep .....aw you know the rest. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:25 am

According to a site in the UK (David Silver spares) using the stated part number, the tool has now been discontinued and is not available.
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:49 am

For Europe the part number is different bud, 07ZMF-MCT0100
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:42 am

Bit pricy at £103 though!
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:59 am

bigbird wrote:
Dimond wrote:
Hi Bigbird,  I am very interested in the clutch tool and pads.  I will PM you.  Thanks!

You're now third in line. However the second person after Swing13 has made a commitment to buy the goodies. I'm waiting to hear from Swing13.

I wonder why he needs the tool, he's just bought a new 2013 Silver Wing? scratch
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PostSubject: Sold   Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:51 pm

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I've got that tool sitting in my basement. It's brand new still in the Honda plastic bag. I don't need it. The part # is 07ZMC-MCTA100
New they're $100 and up from any Honda online parts store. Ebay, they're $70 used.
I can do $50 US and you pay the shipping. And I'll throw in a set (front, rear, and parking) of brand new organic compound EBC disc brake pads (Made in England) for your Swing as well.
The part #'s for the pads are SFA281, SFA196, and SFA257/2. Is that not a deal?

Sold to a nice man in the Bay area.
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:03 pm

Well, it's time to look at removing my clutch outer as mine looks as though it has been run with the shoes down to the metal...horrible scoring. I'm thinking of trying a conventional 3 legged clutch puller to remove it. Does anyone have any cautionary tales about using one of these?

Also, cosmic jumper, I like the idea of using a PVC tube and washers to replace the clutch outer. How come the tube didn't fracture under the strain? Do I need a particular thickness of PVC?
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:50 pm

I think the reason for a 4 arm puller is because a three arm one is too difficult to control. Possibly those puller arms were tied or banded together to keep them from spreading. Or maybe the 4 arm puller arms have a different shape.

IIRC You mentioned "rebuilding" the final drive; it is possible to remove the final drive cover & clutch bell as one piece. The cover bolts can be accessed thru the holes in the clutch bell. Then it might be possible to press the final drive shaft off the clutch bell. The bell and shaft are not so tight that it requires a lot of pressure to seperate the two. More like strong encouragement.

The installation tool is just standard schedule 40 PVC pipe, with ~5mm thick walls. The clutch bell isn't installed so tight that the PVC is going to split or fracture.
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:09 pm

Thanks for that Tim,

A four legged puller makes more sense I guess. Doing the clutch bell and final drive at the same time seems like a good idea, however, we've got some trips to Europe planned for this year so I'm now thinking of doing this as a winter project. The bike is riding fine right now. Time to check out the final drive overhaul and see how to plan all this stuff. I'm gonna be a busy Hector !
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:58 pm

I recommend to use only that tool for removing clutch bell. 07ZMC-MCT0100.
If you use something other option you can damage clutch bell. The risk is that the clutch bell will bend and cause vibration. Installation is simple. You can use PVC pipe and custom made nut. I bought two nuts, M16 and long nut. I welding these together and using threared rod and washer for installation.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WjkwO4SufHPqk_qiYO_s_5F4jd4BoVXi/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n0YrDvqEnH9PA1vMOhPS-Y2K-Dv2JBbK/view?usp=sharing
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:17 pm

Hi there arskal,

I would love to own one of those removal tools but I'm told that they are no longer available. Where do I get one? How much do they cost?

I think I'll go down the PVC pipe method for replacing the drum though.

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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:31 pm

I ordered that tool from KFM-Motorräder. One year ago. They ordered it for me. Here is link

https://www.kfm-motorraeder.de/cms/en/genuine-spare-parts/honda-spare-parts?itemid=07ZMCMCT0100
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch Outer Installation Tool   Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:35 pm

Thanks for that. I'll get in touch with them Smile
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