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PostSubject: Madtad windshield questions/use   Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:26 am

It is a given the GIVI adjustable is probably the best solution for the SilverWing....buffeting, etc. Set in the look over is a safe and comfortable solution.

#2 I think the buffeting on maxi scooters is design failure in that your nose is too far from tip of shield----designers/sales dreamers are not daily riders, etc. Has to look good to sell....not function well.

#3 MADSTAD----anyone with experience?? one currently on SilverWing. Can compare to Givi Adjustable??

#4 Next time there is $300 to burn in my pocket, may try a Madtad. Or help me save $300. Thanks.

#5 Neither the Givi or Madstad offer real winter/rain hand protection---but offer "quiet air"----I have experience with Avon/CECO/Heinrich/HD all handlebar mounted offering hand weather protection. Cold, wet hands no longer fun for me.

Ideal comparison would be having owned/ridden both fairings.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:34 pm

john grinsel wrote:

#3 MADSTAD----anyone with experience?? one currently on SilverWing. Can compare to Givi Adjustable??

I can add that the Madstad quality is great. i do not have one on my S'Wing, but did on my Suzuki V-Strom 1000 and it was an excellent choice. The ability to adjust the height, and angle, as designed was very useful in touring and varied weather conditions. i bought the GIVI adjustable, for my S'Wing, as the cost of the Madstad was so much more.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:41 pm

Thanks----but V-Strom and SilverWing apples and oranges-----really looking for calm air and seeing which is better for all day comfort on SilverWing.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:32 pm

john grinsel wrote:
Thanks----but V-Strom and SilverWing apples and oranges-----really looking for calm air and seeing which is better for all day comfort on SilverWing.

Apples and Oranges.... Maybe Tangerines and Oranges. In use, I feel there are similarities -- both have the rider at about the same upper body position (on my V-Strom anyway) and the distance from the windshield is similar,... the V-Strom might actually be farther. The Madstad was very effective.

But my above point being, the Madstad system's excellent adjustability, which I do have experience with. If the cost had not been about $150 more than I paid for the GIVI Aerflow, I would have opted for the Madstad.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:35 pm

Madstad Windshield - since I have had mine on for about 4k miles should probably chime in here. First, there are a couple posts on Madstad on the Forum - one in General and another in Accessories - hopefully, I can put a couple of links here:

http://www.silverwing600.com/t5940-madstad-windshield

http://www.silverwing600.com/t4547-madstad-engineering-adjustable-windshield?highlight=madstad

Not much has changed from my original comments on the earlier posts - have experienced more of the varied weather conditions including cold, wind and rain and still glad of my purchase. There are a couple of things on my wish list including some more width for protection on my shoulders and somehow being closer to the shield [I agree with John on this]. Haven't changed the height or angle and look over the top which seems the best. Sorry though, I can't give any comparison with the Givi AF because have not ridden a scoot with one installed.

On the cost difference, when I purchased the Madstad in August 2012 it was shipped to my door for $287 - at that time the Givi AF would have been $235 so I was looking at $52 more for the Madstad. Just looked at the Madstad site and my shield is listed for $280 plus shipping - has the Givi cost been reduced lately?

I'm convinced of one thing on windshields - there is no one "perfect" choice for everyone.

Safe rides to all.

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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:22 am

Rick,Could you measure from bottom of key hole to top of shield?I'd like an idea of height.
I'm 6 foot and have a clearview xl with vent.To much wind hits my eyes and pushes my ball cap bill down at faster speeds.It's not right for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:23 am

Height---for me 21"-22" max above key hole, works=no funny neck angles, good look over.

Ideal windshield would work for anybody, adjusted to correct height.

Karl Heinrich got it right in the 50's upper/lower, worked in any weather---so did Glaeser , HD with winter windshield kit and tin leg shields, just about any Vespa with shield cut/adjusted to proper height........and National Cycle with lowers set up right on Honda late model NightHawk.

For me as everyday/fairly high annual mileage/any weather rider good weather protection and calm/quiet air behind screen very important---why be miserable?? Looking thru a tall shield is not the safe way to ride...think rain/oncoming headlights/snow/sleet/bugs/etc/

For SilverWing I have purchased Givi Adjustable and non-adjustable, Vented Clearview and Cee Baily for my Concours---which blew air up my nose at German speeds,
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:48 am

Yes, but Heinrich made handlebar screens and leg shields for someone sitting upright on what are now vintage BMW motorcycles, not a rider in a feet forward riding position on a modern maxi scooter sitting a lot further away from the screen. All Heinrich products were very expensive to purchase especially their large capacity petrol/gas tanks and you had the advantage of being already over in Europe where they'd have been more affordable to buy.

You were also able to buy a MZ fitted with a Super Elastik sidecar outfit too, they made them illegal in the UK back in the Eighties  because the sidecar was fitted the right side and we drive on the left.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:35 am

RickV wrote:
Madstad Windshield -
.........On the cost difference, when I purchased the Madstad in August  2012 it was shipped to my door for $287 - at that time the Givi AF would have been $235 so I was looking at $52 more for the Madstad.  Just looked at the Madstad site and my shield is listed for $280 plus shipping - has the Givi cost been reduced lately?

Well I did screw up on pricing, not reading correctly I guess. I gave $215.00 (USD), including shipping for my GIVI adjustable (from Cli-MAX Gear their cost is now $228.00). The MadStad system, I would have ordered, is $270.00 plus estimated $43.00 shipping, so it is about $100.00 difference. But then shipping may have been less. Perhaps I should have called them to get a solid price.

The GIVI handles air flow very well and I do like the width which deflects wind from the hands well. I would like a couple inches higher adjustment (for my height at 6'3") as I now use it in the highest position.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:19 pm

There is'nt much info on a Madstad because they only sold 5 until today!For a SW that is.
Rode home real fast with sunglasses and ball cap!Over 150 miles hat stayed on and really no wind in eye area.

John thanks for posting about Madstad ,exactly what I needed!

It's 25 1/2 from bottom of key hole at 58 degree angle.With clearview I could only hear music to not much more than 35.Now over 55.
I'm having a custom shield made Monday the way I want it.
Longer and wider at bottom with a flair (ears)like a clearview for hands.Took 7 1/2 hrs to do today.Riding there checking out the shop,testing,discussing what I wanted.I'm happy the way it is but when it can be better I'm in.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:45 am

Interested in hand protection. Seems to me 25.5 in over key hole awful tall for safe look over!!! Nice to see what you might hit....unless you are giant!

My experience with windshields dating to 1955----right design, they do not have to be high/look thru to be right. But Madstad can be moved up and down it you get it too high.

I do not ride with music or ball cap, so only interested in buffeting/calm air around head. I find riding fun.

But thanks and keep us informed.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:11 pm

Sorry Guys but haven't been on my computer - this has probably been answered but will provide the info anyway.

Measuring from the bottom of the keyhole to the top of the Madstad I come up with 23 1/2 [within 1/16th or so]. I'm still about 6 ft. and can see over the shield - believe my angle is close to the 55 degrees as recommended in the template provided with the shield. Started out having it higher but dropped it to see over it. Had the non-adjustable Givi and after riding in driving rain and having to look out to see, decided to purchase the Madstad - mine is the 18" size.

Also, I met up with Nomad last summer and he has the shorter 16" shield and liked it so far. It sounded like he was going to do some serious traveling last year and perhaps he would like to comment on his experience - presuming he is still following the forum.

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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:42 am

The wind is about 5 inch away from my ears but real strong at 6-7.

Shield is 57-58 degrees.wind is just above my head.

I'm 6 foot with good posture ( I guess)(not a giant)see over 25 1/2 with ease.
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PostSubject: Re: Madtad windshield questions/use   Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:41 pm

With the shield so high my chest get wet.Hope the longer shield cures that.Water shoots straight towards  me from the aluminum bottom plate at 15-30 mph.After 30 not as bad.At 50+ seems good,a small amount of drops hit my cheeks from above.Wasnt hitting my hands much.

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