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lowkey
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PostSubject: Revealing the engine ID number.   Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:08 pm

I went to my appointment at the DMV to transfer the title
and register my Silverwing. Because it was an out-of-state
vehicle, they needed to see the engine ID.  I had happened
to look in the owner's manual so I know that it is on the left
side, but I'm curious as to the minimum disassembly needed
to see the engine ID.  

I have removed the bodywork multiple times on my
Burgman 400, but I'm thinking Honda does it differently.
For starters, do I need to remove the left floor mat?

I did a search on "removal" and several other terms and
saw a video of front fairing removal, but
I just want to view the engine identification number
for now.  

Thank you for any help.
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PostSubject: Re: Revealing the engine ID number.   Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:18 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Revealing the engine ID number.   Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:25 pm

Thanks. I have the manual and saw that. I know about where it is.
I'll just start undoing fasteners and see what appears. It will
be educational.
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model28a
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PostSubject: Re: Revealing the engine ID number.   Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:50 pm

Are you sure you need the engine ID number? Most states use the vehicle ID number(VIN). The reason they use the VIN is it must be seen without removing any body panels. On a car you can see the VIN by looking down in the windshield on the drivers side. On your Silverwing you can see the VIN if you look up under the cowl on the right side of the scooter. If you look above the front fender facing the scooter it will be on your left. You can also check your coolant level in the same place. The reason they use the VIN is so you don't have to get an updated title if you have to put a new engine in. The Model T and the Model A were the last cars in the USA that used the engine ID number because they did not have a VIN.
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PostSubject: Re: Revealing the engine ID number.   Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:42 am

California isn't most states.  Smile

I'm quite sure they wanted the VIN.  Mine, a 2002 model,
has it actually right below the handlebars on the dash,
facing the rider. Can't miss it.

They wanted the emissions sticker.  My emissions sticker is
under the seat in the trunk on the side.

And they want the engine ID.  I have a 60-day permit--no plate-- to ride it anyway, but I have to go back and finish things up
with the engine ID during that time.
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RickV
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PostSubject: Re: Revealing the engine ID number.   Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:03 pm

I guess MN isn't either!Neutral 

Here in MN you need both the VIN and the engine # to transfer the scoot - the state of course has on file the engine # from the previous owner and compares it to what the purchaser has to hand write on the title/transfer document. From what I understand, there must have been too many Harleys being stolen and this is there way cutting down on the use of stolen engines!Rolling Eyes 

As Dennis pointed out in his link, finding the engine # is easy on othe SW - my first experience with this requirement was with a Yamaha Morphous and that was another story - finally contacted the previous owner and used the same # he submitted.
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PostSubject: Re: Revealing the engine ID number.   Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:24 pm

lowkey wrote:
California isn't most states.  Smile

And they want the engine ID.
+1
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WingMan02
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PostSubject: Re: Revealing the engine ID number.   Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:25 pm

model28a wrote:
Are you sure you need the engine ID number? Most states use the vehicle ID number(VIN). The reason they use the VIN is it must be seen without removing any body panels. On a car you can see the VIN by looking down in the windshield on the drivers side. On your Silverwing you can see the VIN if you look up under the cowl on the right side of the scooter. If you look above the front fender facing the scooter it will be on your left. You can also check your coolant level in the same place. The reason they use the VIN is so you don't have to get an updated title if you have to put a new engine in. The Model T and the Model A were the last cars in the USA that used the engine ID number because they did not have a VIN.
What happens if you replace the front cover and the inner cover?  The VIN for the Swing is on both pieces.  How do you get a replacement sticker?
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PostSubject: Re: Revealing the engine ID number.   Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:49 pm

After reading the posts above I would say check with your local DMV and see what your local laws are. :lol!:
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